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The form and the formless

A spiritual discourse on purification, the body's energy systems, and mantra science.

"Any kind of illnesses you have, go and practice ṣaṭkarma: netī, dhautī, bastī, naulī, that kind of practice. This is inner purification."

"So, nirguṇa, it is a nādarūpa parabrahma. The resonance is the form of the Supreme."

A spiritual teacher addresses an assembly at an ashram, explaining the yogic science of purification. He begins by correlating the traditional four social classes (varnas) to different parts and functions of the human body, arguing the caste system is a bodily metaphor, not a social hierarchy. The core teaching outlines a threefold purification process: cleansing the physical body through Haṭha Yoga techniques like ṣaṭkarma, purifying the 72,000 nāḍīs (energy channels) through prāṇāyāma and mantra vibration, and finally cleansing the mind. He leads the audience in chanting exercises, such as feeling the vibration of "Oṃ," and emphasizes the importance of correct Sanskrit pronunciation for mantras to affect specific chakras. The talk expands to cover the five sheaths (kośas) and concludes that yoga is a practical science for realizing the formless reality within the temporary form.

Filming location: Melbourne, Australia

Oṁ Īśvara Sākṣāṁ Parambrahma Tasmai Śrī Gurave Namaḥ. Dhyāna Mūlaṁ Gururūpaṁ, Pūjā Mūlaṁ Gurur Padam, Mantra Mūlaṁ Gurur Vākyaṁ, Mokṣa Mūlaṁ Gurur Kṛpā. Yā Devī Sarva Bhūteṣu Śraddhā Rūpeṇa Saṁsthitā, Yā Devī Sarva Bhūteṣu Lakṣmī Rūpeṇa Saṁsthitā. Namastasye, namastasye... Namo yādevi śarva bhūteśo kṛpā rūpeṇa samastitā, namastase, namastase... Namo Deveśvara Mahādevātī, Dharma Samrāṭa Guru Svāmī Madhavānanda Bhagavān Satya Sanātana. Salutation to the cosmic light, adoration to our Sat Gurudeva. Good evening, dear sisters and brothers here in this hall and around the world. The blessing is coming to you from the beautiful city Melbourne, our ashram, Mahāprabhudeep Ashram. It is a very auspicious day. According to the Vedic culture and calendar, out of the twelve months, this one month is dedicated to Bhagavān Śiva. Śrāvaṇmāsa. This is the month when all the holy saints—Brahmā, Viṣṇu, Śiva—went to a peaceful place, a holiday or retreat. In the cāturmāsa, the monsoon season, they spend time in the Himalayas between Kedārnāth and Bandhināth. There is a place where Viṣṇu resides, Śiva, and Brahmā. There are lakes, different lakes, and rocks on the hills. Between them is Śāstradhārā, thousands of waterfalls from a beautiful big hill on a rock. Each stream of that waterfall is a thousand, Śāstra, and that signifies Viṣṇu Śāstranāma. Just now, earlier, Rajendra was chanting, meaning God has a thousand names. Śāstra-nāma means thousands of names, and each name has different meanings. Each dhārā, meaning waterfall or stream, has a different form, direction, and meaning. That symbol in our body is what we call the sahasrāra-cakra. Again, sahasrāra. That cakra on the top of the head has thousands of petals, or thousands of rays coming out of it, also known as Brahma Randhra. Randhra means the whole weight. Brahman, in fact, is the highest supreme, which has no form. Many people who only study English or other languages and do not know Indian Sanskrit or Hindi, I would like to tell you there is a column: Brahma, Brahm, and Brahmin. These are three completely different concepts. Western people, when you talk about Brahmā, they think it is Brahmin. When we talk about Brahmā, they think, ah, these Brahmins, or the caste system. They think that is the Brahmā. One should know the differences, and the caste system is not in that way as people manipulate it. The caste system is in your body. From the shoulder above, this part of the body is called Brahman. In Brahman’s knowledge, all the five jñāna-indriyas are located in this part of the body, the senses of knowledge. From those five jñāna-indriyas, one jñāna-indriya, which is spread throughout the whole body, is called the skin, the touch. When anything touches you, you feel immediately, you are informed immediately. The shoulders and arms are for supporting, helping, working, and so on. This is called Kṣatriya, the warriors. With these hands you can do good things, protect someone, help someone, and so on. You can give something. Great Kabīr Dās says God gave you the hands to give something, to donate. So these two arms, including the strength of the shoulder, are called the shoulders or Kṣatriya, the Rājput. The trunk of the body is known as the farmer, Vaiśya. Whatever we take in our mouth, we eat, it goes to our intestine, and from here it is supplied to the whole body—to the brain, to the toes and nails and the hair. It is the farmer, and they have their work. They know where to send, what to send, which glands, what kind of energy, prāṇa, food needs, which hormones, how kidneys, heart, livers, and so on. All joints, skin, any problems we have with the skin or with any other kind of disease, it is caused by our intestine. And the intestine is not guilty. We are guilty. Our jñānendriya, our tongue, the taste, that is guilty. We eat what we like, what is tasty. We don’t think, "I am eating healthy." When the healthy food is a little bitter and without taste, you say, okay. But unhealthy things come with sugar and ice cream, very good, oh, thank you. The cup is empty already. So we don’t think of our instance of this karma. The farmer needs good fertilizer, and we are having enough fast food. So, no wonder that we are not healed. Any kind of illnesses you have, go and practice ṣaṭkarma: netī, dhautī, bastī, naulī, that kind of practice. This is inner purification. When you have dirt on your cheek, on your hands and face, what do you do? You go and wash it. You work very hard, sweating. Your summer healing, Adelaide, Birmingham, Melbourne is very humid. The summer is humid here; it is dry, not like Sydney. Okay, thanks to God, then I will come in summer. And anyhow, it is very dry and very hot, and you are working and sweating, and you come home and go under the water, and you feel, ah—mostly we say, "Now I feel like a fresh-born." We can clean our skin with the air, with the water, with the earth, with the oil, with the cloth, and so on. How will you clean your inner body? For that is Haṭha Yoga. Hatha Yoga is not these asanas and pranayamas that you are doing here. It’s a wrong name. You live in Australia, but you arrive in Austria. Not Austria, Australia. You say, yes, yes,... I know Austria and Europe. No, please, Australia. Oh yes, where is that? Such a big country, where is that? Oh, yes. And then they said, "Oh yes, he’s in Austria." I said, "No." Okay, Australia, you are Australian. No, I am Austrian. So this is a confusion in your modern way of practicing yoga. Everyone says, "I practice Haṭha yoga." None of them is touching that yoga. They are practicing all the āsanas. Name wrong, okay? Among the blind, the one-eyed man is king. So, better than? Hatha yoga is for our purification. If you don’t practice this, you have a problem. So any kind of illness you have, any, even cancers, go and practice Haṭha Yoga. Clean, clean, clean body. Kapālbhāti, Bhastrikā. Kapālbhāti Prāṇāyāma, then do the Bhastrikā Prāṇāyāma. Clean and good medicine. Good and healthy, organic. If there is cancer, you had an operation already, or you don’t have an operation. Ginger, spinach, orange, carrot, and what you call pumpkin—organic. Then juice. Drink three liters a day. See the miracle. Raw pumpkin juice, not cooked. Everything raw. It’s better to drink three liters than to have chemotherapy. The chemotherapy is very unpleasant. See what will happen miraculously. Fruit, fresh spinach is very important. And all kinds of berries, but not from your supermarket. You have to go high up in the mountains and get them. Clean, clean, clean. So this is called Vaiśya, meaning the farmer. Brāhmaṇa, Kṣatriya, Vaiśya, and Śūdra. Your feet, your legs. Even if it is very dark, you will walk, and your foot will not say to you, "I don’t want to walk there." It doesn’t matter if it is a good place, or a dirty place, or a muddy place, or a stony place. Ever ready to carry you wherever you want. Because our feet are in touch with the ground, they can be clean or dirty. So, Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaiśya and Śūdra is your body. So if you don’t like Śūdras, cut off your legs. Go to the hospital and say, "Dear doctor, I don’t like this Śūdra, please can you unmute my phone?" Then you say, "What? Yeah, I don’t like this Śūdra," then take off. It is said in Śāstras that everyone who is born is Shudra, but through the knowledge you are Brahmin, through the action you are Kshatriya, through the health and protection you are Vaishya, and through doing service, seva, you are Shudra. Brahma jānate brahma, brahma jānate brahma. Who knows the Brahman, what is the supreme formless God? That is a Brahman, the other God. And when one knows what is the Brahman, then you have no dharma, which means no dualities. Nothing is higher and nothing is lower. So that formless God, the Supreme, which is just here too, everywhere—in your body, in my body, in these flowers—when that quality appears, then form comes. And quality here means the tattvas, the five elements. They are the very major elements on our earth, and through that, the form is created. It doesn’t matter: flowers, trees, humans, animals, everything. And this is not permanent; it’s temporary. Prakṣāṇam, Netī, Dhautī and Naulī, Trāṭak and Kapālabhātī. If you have no health problems, then do four times a year Saṅkhyā-Prakṣaṇam at the beginning of the intense time. All vegetarian creatures have a long intestine, and non-vegetarian, meat-eating animals have a short intestine. So the human has an 8.5-meter-long intestine. Whatever you eat and drink, this farmer has to work so hard to go through, and when it remains stuck, it will create vikāra in the body. And vikāra is illness, impurity. Then come the mental vikāras, mental pollution. How to clean that? Okay, we will clean the body through water and so on. But how will you clean the five nāḍīs? Prāṇāyāma. You cannot pump air into the nāḍīs. If you pump little air into the nāḍīs, then very soon you will die, so you cannot put the air in the nerves. But prāṇāyāma is cleaning these first Nāḍīs, Iḍā, Piṅgalā, Suṣumṇā, what Narendra, Rājendra mentioned. These 72,000 Nāḍīs are purified while chanting the mantras. How? Vibration. It is scientifically proven, the vibration. For example, we can try now. Would you like to explain something? Okay, you have both hands. Put them like this on your head, like that. How? Like your helmet for little children on the side, like that. Both hemispheres you should touch. Okay? Close your eyes and concentrate on your navel. And when we chant OM, feel the OM sound vibration from the abdominal muscles, from the navel it will go up. It is O or U, A, then U till the vocal cords, and then comes the humming. And so long as you chant it, the humming part of the OM, and feel how the vibration is in your head or in your airspace. So don’t go back. Here, where you are somewhere away, there are the horns, okay. So don’t go where the horn is. Come here. So close your eyes, take a deep inhale, and chant Oṃ. Place your left hand on the navel and right hand on the Sahasrāra Cakra, and again chant Oṃ. Close your eyes so that you can concentrate better. Second mantra. First, I will chant three times, then you chant with me with the same rhythm. It will go from the navel to the Sahasrāra Cakra, through the spine, around. Another experiment, which is for your ears, is very good for those who have a problem hearing sound when you get old, or for some people who have some kind of sound in the ears when you sleep on the pillows, like inside a machine room or where water is leaking somewhere. The locomotive is starting, or different kinds of sounds. It can be helped. So, the hollow of your palm, you will close your ear like this, like that, not like that. And when we chant Aum, we will do more humming sound; that’s called Bhramarī Prāṇāyāma. And there you will only do a little like this. Don’t take your hand completely away from the ear. Only like this. Okay? Understand? So put your hands here, and five times. You can do it yourself, because when you close this, you will not hear me. So you will do only inhalation, and then like this. And, at the same time, you do like compression. Thank you. So this is the sound therapy. So when you feel very tired and you have a lot of stress, put your hands like this and chant five times or a few times, Om Rām. And this is also very good for your ears. So, nirguṇa, it is a nādarūpa parabrahma. The resonance is the form of the Supreme. You cannot see the resonance; you cannot feel it. You can’t see God, but you feel God. But when it comes to this material world, then it is manifested in touch with the qualities, the elements. So the third technique, first part, Haṭha Yoga: cleaning, purification of the body inwardly, then the nāḍīs with prāṇāyāms, and also the chanting of the mantras, which have influence on our body. 72,000 nāḍīs. The allopathic medical science does not accept that there are 72,000 nāḍīs. But our yoga science, yogīs, they say there are 72,000 nāḍīs. What does that mean? The word nāḍī, nāḍī is not translated. You cannot translate it as in the earth. Nadis are very different than the Navas. And these are 72,000 channels through which the cosmic energies enter the earth. So when you chant the mantras, or like Śāstra Navas or Anuvāñcalī Śāstra, it’s easier for many people. It’s not in Sanskrit, or gurū-śrī mantras. Then the negative, what means cleaning of the nāḍīs here in this time? The negative influence from the outer world, what we call blackmailing, not good relations, not good behaviors, nasty people, or this and that, or someone is thinking bad about you, sending you negative energy. So chanting mantras or prayers neutralizes or removes the negative. Try one week, and then you will feel how it is. So this is not a thing that you believe or you don’t believe. The belief and non-belief do not change the reality. If you believe that tomorrow the Sun will rise, yes. You don’t believe that the sun will rise. It doesn’t matter; you don’t believe that the sun will rise. Believe it or not, there is a certain energy, science, and techniques which yogis thousands of years before have been doing. So it is true. And this yogic science is in Indian blood, is it not? In America they are saying, and in England, when examination is there at university or college or somewhere, and if there’s an Indian student, they say, "Oh, he will come through, or she will come through, don’t worry." Because 99.5% of all Indian students passed their examinations with the best numbers. And especially those who are vegetarians, they will never fail. Now you have many here in Maribor, not Maribor, sorry, Melbourne. You have so many Indians, and you can see the record of their students. I mean, from the viewpoint of study, not if they are naughty or not naughty, I am not telling you this. So, that depends on the brain centers. Their ancestors entirely, their life was with chanting and with thinking in such a way. So, still the vibration goes till 27 generations after man changed. So, if you continue, then your children will benefit from your side. So this is second: the Sanātana Dharma is called eternal religion, not a man-made religion. It’s all cosmic roots and language, Sanskrit or the alphabet they call Dev-Nāgarī. And it is not that man-made alphabets, they appear as the devas, the forms in their meditation. Nāgrik means the citizen, deva means the goddess, the citizen of the divine, those elements. Each alphabet has a particular vibration. So we have 52 alphabets, and every one is different, and it is very hard to pronounce for those people who have only half the alphabets, 26. You have only 26 alphabets. So, sometimes to pronounce one word, we have to put two alphabets. For example, in Latin or English, what you speak, then we can pronounce, but still you can’t pronounce properly. And when you cannot pronounce properly, then it can affect negatively, this is why. One Austrian lady, Matajī, I call her, she was for me like Matajī, she was 75, 77 years, and it’s about, let’s say it was in 1995, or 1985, no, 1980, she passed away in 1983. She came to Vienna to India with me, and she stayed there. One man, every morning at noon, used to bring her a cup of tea or some fruits, and that man couldn’t speak English. Matajī, she was speaking English and German and all. But she loved her German language. She was very German. So when that man brought something, Matajī said to her, "Danke," in German language, thank you. "Danke." And that man understood, she tells me, "Danke, gada." Next time he brought again. He was very sad, and he went to Gurujī. Our Gurujī was right in Jaipur. He said, "Gurujī, I will not go to Māṭājī. I will not bring her. It doesn’t matter what I bring and do for her good things, she tells me all this ḍaṅkī, gaḍā." Morning, early morning, I bring her tea, morning tea, and she’s saying, "Gadā." Guruji said, "Matajī, you wouldn’t do like this." So Guruji went behind me, and Guruji was standing there, and he brought nice tea to Matajī. Now, pronunciation is again wrong. We call roti chapati, you call chapati, but we call it roti. Very nice, roti. And those people here, born here or speaking this Australian dialect, they cannot say roti. Roti. Can you say someone roti? No. You say, "Roti." And "roti" means crying girl or crying lady. "Can I have one roti?" And they say, "Can I have one roti? Kansi roti chahiye, bhai? Roti?" Now, second, there is one more word. We call the sadhus’ living quarters a kutiya. So where is Gurujī’s kutiya? And what will you say, where is Gurujī’s kutiya? And "kuttya" means a female dog, not that house, not that hut. So you go and say, "Where is Gurujī’s kuṭiyā?" They say, "Look, perhaps somewhere near the kitchen." So pronunciation can influence our inner system differently. Yes, one thing is important. Bhava, your feelings, that is different, and therefore, bhāva can change; the wrong pronunciation can be corrected. But if it is possible, learn to pronounce the mantras properly. And therefore, all these chakras, which we have in our book, if you have read, even parts in humans, otherwise you should read it again. There are eight chakras, and out of these eight, six chakras have petals, and every petal has a sātmantra, which are the chakras, but every lotus has one petal, each four or six or eight or ten or twelve, and these petals are as many. Sanskrit alphabet, that many petals are here. Then one is called the Bīja mantra, the seed mantra. The main mantra is this in the middle, and the others are the sub-mantras. Now, what does it mean? This is the Anāhata cakra, the heart cakra. Anahata chakra, and now this Anahata chakra has 12 petals. Now these 12 mantras will create the vibration in this part of the body, and that will be healthy. So here, mantra means resonance. Resonance in a particular part of the body where the energy is centered. And so it’s not all, you know, nicely designed, how this mantra is very good as a... It’s not written only, you know, which mantra it is. It’s written that you have to chant. You have to chant slowly. We were chanting this mantra, the Maṇipūra bīja mantra, "Raṁ." After a few minutes, you will see, like, a chain is going up and down, and it all comes and touches your sahasrāra cakra, which is controlling all, which is consciousness. So certain chakras purify, as Nārada—not Nārada—Rājendra said, for Iḍā, this is the lunar system, and others influence the solar, the sun. So thirty-six, and the thirty-six. There are 72,000 energy channels in the body. So the yogic exercises, yogic prāṇāyāms, yogic meditation, and yogic way of chanting are for our physical body, for our mental body, and for our subtle body. These three layers of the energy are controlling and keeping our own phenomena. Beyond these three bodies, the physical body, mental body, and subtle body, there is another body called the causal body. A current body is a causal body. The causal body is the cause of all problems or desires. And the causal body again touches our senses. So, there are four bodies: the physical body, the mental body, the subtle body, and the causal body. Within these five bodies, they divided these five bodies in Vedānta also into different five names: Annamaya Kośa, Prāṇamaya Kośa, Manomaya Kośa, Vijñānamaya Kośa, and Ānandamaya Kośa. Ānanda maya kośa is the body of nourishment, this physical body. Prāṇa maya kośa is the energy, our intellect. Mano maya kośa is the mental body. Vijñānamaya kośa is our intellect body. That’s like a subtle body, the knowledge. And the ānanda māyā kośa is the current sarīra, not ānanda, that bliss, but the desires. Because bliss is beyond that. Not paramānanda, just ānanda. Ānanda means pleasure. So there are two kinds of pleasure. One is material pleasure, which is temporary, and then there is permanent, and that is called Parama Ānanda, the bliss, the supreme bliss. Now, the Anandamaya Kośa, our body, our physical body form, is influenced by this, our nourishment, our food. According to that will be your Prāṇamaya Kośa, the prāṇa in your body. When you drink one glass of fresh milk or warm milk, or one glass of orange juice, or apple juice, or pineapple juice, after you feel how relaxed and relaxed, one big glass, you were thirsty, and a big glass full, and you said, "All goes," I’m sitting and talking to you nicely, happily. Now this one glass full is a vodka or whiskey or whatever you call. You drink, and after, before ending, your eyeballs are already moving to some other citākāśa, other space. Jaisa khai an vaisa rahe man, what you speak, like that with your mental body. Then vaisā pīye pānī, vaise bole pānī. What kind of liquid you drink, like that you will speak, because like that energy will be there. Energy, and then manomaya kośa, our mind, according to the situations, with whom you spend the time: satsaṅg, kuṣaṅgas, blackmailing, always talking negative, negative about others. Try that you never speak negative about. Try. Try to be this light. When this light is burning here in this room, the darkness has no strength to come, you see, around the whole building. Upside, downside, every side, darkness is waiting to break through. But darkness has no strength because of light. Similarly, your positivity, your knowledge, as long as you have these positive feelings and knowledge, no dark clouds of troubles and illnesses can attack you. And so these are Annamaya Kośa, Prāṇamaya Kośa, Manomaya Kośa, Vijñānamaya Kośa, and Ānandamaya Kośa. Within these five kośas, these five different bodies, is the soul. And the soul is un-physical. Now, this becomes all like an onion. I give you an onion, and you take one there and arrange it. I want to have onions, I want to have onions, somebody give me onions, I peel one there, second there. I peeled everything away, but there is no onion. So where is that onion? Onion is there, but you did not see it, because that is the nirguṇa. And you thought onion is saguṇa with the body. So, you will not sense and find God through the body, but this body is very important to realize that nirguṇa. So, everything is in our hands. Yoga is a science of body and mind. You have this yoga and daily life science, which is scientifically designed and very beautiful. You have it. You have it. You have it, so use it or lose it. True, if you don’t practice, it is not the mistake of the yoga or the yoga teacher. You have food in your hands; if you don’t eat, your stomach will not be. So, thousands of tons of theory, tons of theory, is nothing compared with a grain of practice. Therefore, yoga is a practical way. And so this Brahma, Brahm, Brahma, and Brahmin, these are the differences. And there is no caste; there is only one human. Out of 8.4 million different creatures, which are in three categories: creatures in the water, on the earth, and in the air. They are all 8.4 million different kinds of creatures. And one is the human. So now modern science and also the experts say there is no racism, there is no different race, there should be no colors and no duality of these countries or cultures. Because there is only one out of 8.4 million, and that is called human. And the research, the first human race began in the Himalayas, high up where the mountain of Kailāśa is. And that is exactly where, for the first time, Swayam Bhūr Śiva manifested there and then created. So we come again there. So mantras are a science, language is a science. Study, learn, chant, and practice, so human life is given to realize this. Thank you. So we are saguṇa, we are with the form. At the same time, we are nirguṇa, without form. Both are with us, so we have to... Have other inner abilities to see, and purification was the point: nerves purification, mind purification. So, through practices and Haṭha Yoga, I hope that some of you will begin to practice Haṭha Yoga with me. Then you can do it at home. Sāṅkhya prakṣālā four times a year you do it here. If you have problems with the skin, hair, nails, any kind of problem, gastric problems, heartburn, or many others, then do it once a month. Sāṅkhya prakṣāla for a few months. Then you will see how healthy you will be. So, health is not everything, but everything is nothing without health. True? I wish you a very good evening, and thank you for congratulating me on my birthday. Thank you. Deep Narabhāgavād kī kṛpā. Śānti.

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