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The story illustrates how greed tests devotion. Nārada observes human suffering and prosperity. Lakṣmī claims all devotees are hers, prompting a test with Viṣṇu. Viṣṇu, disguised as a simple sādhu, is welcomed devoutly by a merchant. Later, Lakṣmī arrives appearing extraordinarily wealthy. The merchant, enticed by her gold, breaks his promise and violently evicts the first sādhu to accommodate her. The test reveals the devotee's loyalty was to wealth, not God. The lesson warns against abandoning one's spiritual practice for new, alluring promises, as this wastes precious time. True practice requires inner commitment, not external allure.

"Are you sure that I will sit here and you will move me out?" "No, you are my heart."

Filming location: Jadan, Rajasthan, India

Nārāyaṇa, Naranāna, Syaāvara, Rāma, Candra, Bhagavān kī, Satya, Sanātana, Dharma kī, Alagpurījī, Mahādeva kī, Devādideva, Deveśvara, Mahādeva kī, Ārādhya Bhagavān Śrī Vīṭa Nārāyaṇa Mahāprabhū kī Jai, Hindu Dharma Samrāṭ Satguru Svāmī Madhavānandajī Bhagavān kī Jai, Om Śāntiḥ Śāntiḥ... Good evening. Today is already the third day of Deepāvalī. Many people were worshipping God Rāma and Lakṣmī, but mostly they worshipped Lakṣmī. Why? Because Lakṣmī is prosperity, and she is the one who gives us prosperity, money, etc. There is a beautiful story Holy Gurujī told once, and there is a beautiful holy book written by our Sadguru Swāmī Madhavānandajī containing all these beautiful stories, poems, and pūjāns. It is a story about greed, for sometimes we bring those feelings of greediness. There was Ṛṣi Nārada. You know the story of Ṛṣi Nārada. When we were in Nepal the day before yesterday, we spoke about Ṛṣi Nārada and his mother’s stories. It is a beautiful story, but sometimes we make a mistake. Nārada came. You all know who Nārada is; he is the son of Brahmā. Nārada came to Viṣṇu and said, "Lord, the people on the earth are suffering because they do not have enough for eating or for having clothes, etc. And, in another way, there are very, very rich people." This is also true now, in this time. That’s what we call prosperity. We worship, but it is not that you think God will just give us. We have to work. We have to work. So Nārada said, "In the world, people are needy for your blessings and prosperity," and then he left. Before that, Lakṣmī said to Viṣṇu, "I have more bhaktas." Viṣṇu was residing, and she said, "They are my bhaktas." He said, "What? Yes, my lord, it’s impossible. We can test. I know you are giving blessings, everything, my Lord. You give me everything, but if you want to test who are your bhaktas and who are my bhaktas, Bhagavān, God Viṣṇu, they are all my devotees, my bhaktas, including thyself," she said. "I know, my Lord, but it is like that." God Viṣṇu is sitting, and Lakṣmī said, "We can make an experiment. Go to your bhaktas and let me know if this is really a bhakta, okay? And after, I will come also, and I will see which ones are your bhaktas or my bhaktas." So Bhagavān Viṣṇu made a very nice orange dress, tied his hair nicely on his head, took a kamaṇḍalu, a triśūla or a stick, a rudrākṣa mālā, and he was coming to a village, chanting "Nārāyaṇa, Nārāyaṇa,... Namaḥ Śivāya, Namaḥ Śivāya." Who says Namaḥ Śivāya? Viṣṇu. And God Viṣṇu, in the form of a saint, a swāmī, comes to a beautiful shop, like a big shop, what you would now call a mall. Viṣṇu comes, and the owner of that shop has a lot of gold and salt and this and that. That time, there were no junk things like you have in the market now. Everything. And Bhagavān Viṣṇu comes, chanting "Om Namaḥ Śivāya, Namaḥ Śivāya, Namaḥ Śivāya, Namaḥ Śivāya, Namaḥ Śivāya, Namaḥ Śivāya." The merchant saw him and said, "Oh, ah, today is my great luck." He went with bare feet. He ran and said, "Gurudeva, Gurudeva, Gurudeva, please, please come, come. It is a great luck. Now is the time for monsoons, and in this monsoon time, for the sannyāsīs, there are four months to stay in the season of the rain." Viṣṇu said, "Yes, I’m going to go there." The merchant said, "Please, please, Swamijī, stay in my place." Viṣṇu said, "I don’t sit in someone’s house." The merchant replied, "I will not bring you into that house. I have a beautiful house. It’s only for the ṛṣis, yogīs, and so on. A beautiful house. It’s only for you. The whole house is yours." Well, that merchant takes Viṣṇu and says, "Oh, good house, beautiful house." He said, "Yes, Gurudev, anywhere you want, choose yourself." It was a beautiful house with a few good rooms, a satsaṅg hall, etc. Viṣṇu said, "That doesn’t matter, but you know, when I will put my āsana, and there I will, for months, I will not remove from here my āsana. I will be here. It doesn’t matter what happens, because this is my oath." The merchant said, "Gurudev, my whole life is for you." Viṣṇu asked, "Are you sure?" He said, "Of course. When I said, 'I am in your seva,' my whole family, I will give you everything." Viṣṇu said, "Now then, I will sit here. And now, when I sit, then for four months, this is my sitting." He sat there giving some mantra, śaktis, etc. Viṣṇu was very happy sitting there. He thought, "He is my bhakta." That merchant said, "I am the bhakta of Viṣṇu." And Viṣṇu is always there. And Viṣṇu’s Lord is Śiva, always. You see, I am repeating always, "Namaḥ Śivāya, Namaḥ Śivāya,..." and Śiva is repeating me, but it is a great... The merchant said, "Gurudev, please rest. Here are the bathrooms, water, warm water, cold water, the best neem soap, and everything: milk, curds, fruits, bananas—oh, everything. I am going to bring prepared food for you." Viṣṇu said, "Yes." He said, "I will eat tomorrow. I eat only once a day, for four months. And so I have already had my lunch, but you can give some food." The merchant said, "Then I go to my shop, and I have my servant. Whenever you just tell anything, immediately I will come." What great bhaktas! Anything! How happy! He was calling the people for evening, a very nice satsaṅg, everyday morning and evening satsaṅg. So Bhagavān Viṣṇu sat very nicely, chanting "Namaḥ Śivāya, Namaḥ Śivāya." Mārasand is there in his house, and now Lakṣmī said, "My lord, forgive me, but now I will tell you: is he your devotee or my devotee?" Viṣṇu said, "He’s my devotee." Lakṣmī said, "But go." Well, Lakṣmī came very nicely dressed, with beautiful long hair, antelopes, and many, many ornaments, mālās, gold, and a very nice bag with so many things inside. This is how we are getting confused now. And that confusion can lead us again to the other direction, what we call Uthān or Pāṭhan. On a warm day, Sunday, Lakṣmī comes with golden shoes, the sandals, and the screen, chanting "Om Namah Nārāyaṇ, Namah Nārāyaṇ, Namah Nārāyaṇ." The merchant saw her and said, "Oh, so, so happy that, who? That Mahātmā. Oh, great, Mahātmājī, great, great,... my great luck. Today took such great sense. Please come, take a seat." Lakṣmī said, "Don’t talk too much. I’m thirsty. Bring water." The merchant said, "Okay. Servant, go quickly bring the water. You bring a glass." She said, "I don’t drink in this kind of glass." From her bag she took a very nice, beautiful gold glass, about half a kilo. "Give me water." She drank, brought it out, and then said, "Throw it, throw it. Bring more water, yeah, yeah, yeah." They were hypnotized again. He brought the second glass, three times. He said, "This is gold, and why do you throw it, Gurudev, Holy Mother? Why do you throw gold?" Lakṣmī said, "Because whatever I use, I don’t use a second time. Cloth, shoes, anything, eating plate, spoons, once using, then throw it." He thought, "This Gurujī will be, so I will give him always some water and milk and this, and I will have gold." Lakṣmī said, "I’m in a hurry. Have you any place to stay here?" He said, "Yes, I have a beautiful place, a house there, a dome." And she said, "Okay, show me." And she goes, and she says, "One house, this house, that’s what I don’t like. Show me some more." He said, "Yes, yes,... I have one more. There’s a great sense there." She said, "Don’t talk too much. Go and show me." And she’s walking through with the garden shoes through the floor hall, like a woman’s mostly with a heel shoes, no tuck tuck... And Viṣṇu, looking and smiling. She went, one room, second room, third room. She said, "Yes, room, house is good, but I like this room where he’s." He said to the bhakta, "There is one sādhu sitting here, and I promised." And he thought that for his cāturmāsa, or the rain season, he will stay only here, and I gave him promise. And we were talking about one, two hours, and then I said, "Yes, nobody will disturb you. Four months you will be there." She said, "Yes, okay, no problem. It’s good. I go." The merchant pleaded, "No, no, don’t go, please, no." "No, I show you the room," she said. "I’m not a beggar. I said, 'This is room? That’s the room? I will stay here and only have a lawn?'" He said, "Gurudev, I have beautiful big room. Can you go there?" Lakṣmī said, "No, no. You promise that I will be here again," he said. She’s sitting somewhere out again in the shop. The merchant said, "Please, can I give you a beautiful palace?" She said, "I am not a beggar of the palace. I go." "Please, please don’t go. Please don’t go. Children, bring some fruits, dry fruits, fruits for Lakṣmījī." And he’s coming again. The merchant asked, "Please, can you go to the other room?" Lakṣmī said, "No, I will not go." Again, he goes there. Now, he said, "I promised." What to do? Between. This is a test. Now, this is a test. She said, "I am going." He said, "This is my last word. Your holidays, Lakṣmī Māta. I go and clean the room." He is sitting there, and he said to Viṣṇu, "A stupid man, it is not your father’s house, it is my house. I said to you many times, and you want to get out? Bring three servants, take his hands and both legs, put him out of the door." Bhagavān Viṣṇu said, "I will go. I promised you, but I am going. I will not stay here," and Bhagavān Viṣṇu is going. And Lakṣmī is coming, and Viṣṇu is looking like this. And Lakṣmī is going. Nicely and silently, she said, "I’m sorry." Anyhow, Viṣṇu said, "Viṣṇu is going." That sādhu, female sādhu, which they don’t know that she’s Lakṣmī. And they don’t know this is Viṣṇu. It is like that. You don’t know if you see some person. Do you know that? Is that? What is a promise? What is this? You come to one guru, and he gives you something good: sādhanās, meditations. The second one gives you something, kuṇḍalinī awakening. Cluck, cluck. You say, "Oh, I go there." Another one comes, "Oh, this is not good." Jump like a dog. He will go there, oh my God. Other gurus who gave you sattvic, good training, but you forgot. Lakṣmī is coming. She saw that room, and he said, "Why did you send this sādhu out of the house? That was nothing, Mahārājī. After great, you are gold. He had not even a brush. He had only a clay pot. It was not a normal sādhu." She said, "I see. Are you sure that I will sit here and you will move me out?" He said, "No, you are my heart. Every day, even when I go to the bathroom, whatever I touch, I throw it out as a guard. The gold, and you have to bring again new. I will give it," he said. "Relax me mentally. If someone will come and bring the brilliant, some gold or not, these diamonds, will you throw me out? No, no... But it can be, then I will put the other room." She said, "No, you are not the right person here, because I have gold and huge three out. This one sādhu, I will not stay here." She went, saying, "I hope some other sādhu will come today. Hey Bhagavān, here I am." So after about five kilometers distance, in the forest, Bhagavān Viṣṇu is sitting under the tree, nice like this. And Lakṣmī said, "My lord, excuse me, forget me. What I told you, they are my slave, but you made me the Lakṣmī, and therefore Lakṣmī is attached very much." Viṣṇu said, "Yes, I understand. You are the guru of all. Next life, I will choose." Some other woman, and so they went both. They came there, and Nārada came. How he came? "Nārāyaṇa, Nārāyaṇa, Lord Viṣṇu. Mother Lakṣmī, I adore you." Bhagavān Viṣṇu said, "Why did you do this game?" Nārada said, "No, no,... I did nothing. Only, I want to tell you, what is the difference between male and female?" Viṣṇu said, "What does it mean? Always, you should not argue." When you argue, Nārāyaṇa says, "No, no..." "Please, please, don’t. I will say nothing. I’m going. I cannot stay more than some seconds or one minute, then it’s gone." So, argument on both sides is not good. Similarly, when you go from one sādhanā, one practice, for a few years, and then you go to some other one, you are lost. What have you lost? You have lost your time. Time has gone, and we know our life, our destiny is still there. And when you changed it, you lost that time. It means now you will have to go, because the long time you were there, and the short time you were, and then again you were on the other side, you lost everything. Therefore, do the sādhanā, do the practice. It is not if it is beautiful or not, angry or not, old or not. You need that knowledge, and which knowledge? Not only the talking, but you are within thyself. Again, "Nārāyaṇa, Nārāyaṇa,..." he goes further. And Bharavati is sitting and also repeating, "Namaḥ Nārāyaṇa, Om, and Bhagavān Viṣṇu, Bhagavān Viṣṇu, and Śiva. Namaḥ Śivāya." And Nārada comes. Nārada said, "Mother, Holy Mother, Holy Mother Śakti, Śakti, holy mother, holy mother. Pārvatī, Pārvatī." Pārvatī said, "Oh, my son, you are here?" He said, "Mother, I’m only here for a short time. I’m going. But what? How did he create you? What do you mean? If you don’t know, your life is nothing." Pārvatī said, "How do you mean? That I don’t know. Oṁ Namaḥ Śivāya, Oṁ Namaḥ Śivāya,... Śivāya, Śivāya, Śrīman Nārāyaṇa, Nārāyaṇa." Pārvatī is sitting. "I have nothing." He said, "Who made you? Who made you? And how made you? Go to Śiva." And then Śiva is coming back, and Pārvatī said, "My lord, who and how created me?" He said, "There are many things you need not to know." "No, no,... I want to know. How do you know how human, or you, created me? How did you create, for example, my lungs, the tissues, all the parts of the heart, everything? How did you make this all so quickly?" He said, "It is a long, long way. You need not do it. You have and enjoy." "No, I don’t enjoy." He said, "I want." So Śiva said, "With this kind of argument, you will not learn anything." "What?" He said, "With talk, with arguments, we will not come to the one life. It is that, my—it is my Līlā, and in my Līlā everything is happening, but you will not understand, others will not understand. We will have argument, and we will die." "But why did you make this like that, that I will die or this?" He said, "Yes, because I gave the time, and in this time, but I want to know." He said, "Not to know your body, your tissues, your lungs, and so on. But you should know how you will go again to the Brahmalokas." So, it is like this. If we are asking, how did it happen in your mother’s body? Maybe your mother did. Mother said, "I don’t know." Who and how made your eyes completely perfect and exactly measured for both eyelids? Only for example, similarly, everything, Lord, how you did the Śiva? Śiva said, "It is just my prāṇa comes. And from this prāṇa, from my body comes all that is in my body. It will come, it will disappear, it will come, and you should do only one thing, that sādhanā, meditation. Sādhana, sādhana, sādhana." "What is a sādhana?" "Yes, that I can tell you. Do everything, your everyday duties. But in day and night, whatever you do, whatever you do, you have in your sādhanā and in your sound that goes day and night within you all." What is that? Well, someone says, "Namaḥ Śivāya, Namaḥ Śivāya," another said this, and he said, "Yes." But the reality is there, and that is the resonance. And that resonance is coming, and all that is opening and creating in our body from one point, and that’s called the Nābhi. And that Nābhi is a very tiny, the tiniest. We cannot see with our eyes; we need some instrument. But that is when, in that, I will enter. Śiva said, "I will enter into that light and resonance. Then everything will disappear, and all beauty will again come." And so, first, na dārupa para brahma. And so, first comes that resonant sound. And that we are, according to our chakras, according to our inhalation, exhalation, all kinds of activities in the body, that we call OM. That sound is OM. We have not created that. We are, you said, our OM, and they said they are not their OM. It is your OM. And so there are, according to this science of the human body, in the form of the chakras, we are taking, and that is, we have the eight chakras. And that is from Mūlādhāra till Sahasrāra, yesterday also and today also. And so, these are the sounds. And this sound is what we speak, anything. It is not that it is speaking from our mouth, but it is also like our jaw. Our jaw has to function physically, mentally, and energetically. In this energy, sound, all this, and the heat, etc., so these are the 52 Sanskrit alphabets. And that alphabet, these letters, we call that Devanāgarī. Dev means God, and Nāgarik means the citizen. So, we are the citizens of these sounds where we are within ourselves. And so, Koyāparvatī, you can see like a screen, and there you will see immense and immense and immense of my creation and my body and my thoughts in everything, each and every cell, which you can. The whole universe is me, Śiva, Śiva. And that I again, manifesting, and there I am giving this first in the navel. I have given the three different kinds of life, and that is Jalchara, Thalchara, and Navachara. Navachara means all flying, Jalchara, all in the earth are, yes, having an egg. They are all flying, and they also have the eggs. Maybe there is one or two animals that are different. And another is called that, like the humans or all who are born. And so my self is with these whole energies, as you have them in the form of the chakras. And so, Nābhi. And then, where I want to move and where I do not want to move. For example, there are some people who are born who cannot speak and cannot hear. That’s it. And who cannot hear, cannot speak. These are the two points which are very important in our body. And we can try, sometimes, the persons who cannot speak or hear can be helped through this science of Kuṇḍalinī Yoga and chakras. Nāda, nādarūpa. And so is that when we said we have 24 letters, 54, sorry. And from this, 54, certain from which part of the body is vibrating. And where it is vibrating, or only soft, or only the heat, like this, many, many in this, 52 letters. So, in the beginning, the first is called 'a'. And you also have 'a'. You have, you made it half. You have 26 letters, and we have 52 letters. But that is a half. Therefore, it is not complete. But that is a complete, a, a. And you are making two together, A, E. Yes? But there are two: A, A, U, U, OṂ. So, all these four: navel, anāhata, vocal cord, and in sahasrāra. This, when you are creating the OM, there is no vibration. Only the sound. A, so, say A, A. Your tongue is resting here, and who cannot speak is resting. Then we go higher, but still there. Follow your tongue. These are the four chakras: nābhi, anāhat, viśuddhi, and sahasrāra. It creates the oneness to come further up to that part of the oneness, Brahman. Again, generally we are chanting three only: akāra, ukāra, makāra. Ye ākar, mukar, these are the three: jalchar, thalchar, and nabachar. This is the resonance of these three. So, the birds who are flying, but the birds have the egg. So, that and thalchar, jalchar, mostly they are giving the eggs. Mosquitoes, etc., they are also giving eggs, many things. So we are getting in this between, neither there nor at the like, motionless. So we are not motionless, like that egg is motionless. Your tongue is relaxed. Your tongue is all the time down on your toes, the tip, the tip of your tongue is... Down, the sound automatically becomes a ring. The ring means your lips, so it is... Only the lips, like a ring, a beautiful ring, so that the resonance goes perfectly. The resonance of "M" is expressing, so it mostly goes through the whole body, in the brain and in the whole body, and about 25% goes out as resonance. So it means we must not sing too loud. The three chakras are sending the resonance out more, but the 'ma' is on the Sahasrāra chakra, on both hemispheres. Now, you will do your hand like this and touch your hemisphere like this. Now, only close your mouth and just say, "Hmm, very good." And now you say that it is silent, the hemisphere is silent. So, these four. Point of the home. It is not like you say, "The God," or this. It is. We are the God. It is very important from our beginning. So it is Śiva who exploded. It’s like, and there are all different places and further. So, who can tell us who made it, how it was made, what it was, where it was? That you cannot tell. It is indescribable. Neither God nor anyone, but God knows, and therefore they are in the silence. So the silence is the most lauded. Silence is the most lauded. It is within ourselves, so with this, tomorrow we will again do something. So now, eleven times you will do first here: four points, four chakras—Maṇipūra, Anāhata, Viśuddhi, and Sahasrāra—tension, and also our. The depression will go away. Try to test everywhere 11 times this type, place this, place this, place this... This place where you are mostly giving the vibration, if both are exactly, then we are perfect, and if not, then we are now a little bit, and that is it, what we... Call first, also beginning, the memory goes out. Yes, finished. Om Śānti.

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