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The konwledge of ancient yogis

A satsang discourse on mantra practice, spiritual lineage, and the nature of yoga.

"The mantra, if you want to get the perfection... Then, like a little child from primary school to the university, it takes time."

"Yoga is not religion, but all religion is yoga. That's all."

The lecturer leads an evening gathering, explaining the stages of mantra practice from writing to the automatic Ajapa state. He shares stories of his gurus, Mahāprabhujī and Swami Madhavānandjī, illustrating the master-disciple relationship. He contrasts yogic knowledge with scientific arrogance, using a parable of a yogi and a scientist, and emphasizes that Sanātana Dharma is the eternal truth underlying all.

Filming location: Vép, Hungary

A very good evening. To those who could not come yesterday, welcome. Today is our early morning. Mahāprabhujī was Brahmalīna—we call it Brahmalīna. For yogīs and saints, it is called Brahmalīna. Others speak of Svarga, heaven, in different languages. Brahma is eternal, above everything. This space is endless, this light, and that we call Brahma, the highest, the supreme. There is no one above that. Those who receive the blessings and ceremony, as the holy sent, become Brahma-līna. Līna means to become one with all. We can see the sun or anything; it will become one. For example, on the palm of our hand, there is one drop of water, and above our hand is the ocean. This water is from the ocean, but in the present, it is separated. Either it will go somewhere else, or it drops into the ocean. So this one drop, we say, becomes the ocean. Brahmaloka is always, truly, purification. We have to purify our soul, our Jīvātmā, but we are too much in desires. On the other side, there is a lion. When he catches an animal, he will eat only this. Or a very big bird which lives in the high heights of the Himalayas and mountains—what do we call them? Seagulls, eagles. Eagles will not eat anything from dead animals. They will catch the living, the fresh. After May, they go somewhere to drink water, but they will not eat anywhere from a dead animal. That is called Garuḍa, the Garuḍa which we know we are seeing. Similarly, it is said there is one great saint. He becomes that kind, who only takes from the ocean or from the lake, like from Kailāśa Parvat. He only takes the pearls from the ocean, other than that. Similarly, the saint always swallows in their consciousness, in their body, that pure, pure sādhanā, pure concentration as God's relation. And so, what do we call Paramahaṅsa? In certain ceremonies, you get Paramahaṅsa. And what is that Paramahaṅsa? They go to the Pramaloka. So in the ceremonies, then, when you give the Paramahaṁsa's ceremony, they are in that very beautiful lake in the Kailāśa Parvat. Other kinds of birds will eat everything. Like crows, they will eat everything. So it is said that through the blessing of Gurudeva and sādhanā, the crow becomes Brahmā. That is quality, that spirituality, that consciousness. Consciousness has many meanings. As long as we are alive, we say we are conscious in our body. Doctors, for some time, will keep us so that we are still alive, but that awareness of that consciousness is gone. He hears only reflections. So, Mahāprabhujī, in the morning, Brahmā time, and our Gurudev, Madhavānandjī Bhagavān, he was sitting outside under a tree and making a mālā also. You know that Holī Gurujī's mālā was nearly 24 hours continuous. When he sleeps and the mālā falls down from his hand, but this middle finger is moving, he thinks, "Look, the mālā is there." That is called Ajapā. The mantra, if you want to get the perfection... Then, like a little child from primary school to the university, it takes time. It takes time. So the first is called Likhit. Likhit means writing our mantra, whatever we want to write. So Gurudev may give us a mantra, any mantra. Let's say, "Hari Om, Hari Om, Tat Sat, Deep Niranjan, Sabduk Bhanjan." So, just we have to write our Om. Om, Om... is the eternal sound. When you see the conch from the ocean, that is one of the oldest, oldest animals, the conch. And when we bring it to our ear, it's like the sound at the bottom of the ocean. And that's called Nāda Rūpa Para-brahma. That is Parabrahma, this sound there. So first we have to learn exactly our mantra. It's not easy to write. For long, long times, there are some people writing every day. Whenever they have time, they write their mantra. And so, the supreme, the God, the highest, they don't have a long name. They are not a doctor and a professor. Was Jesus a professor? What, was Kṛṣṇa a doctor? Was Rāma a scientist? No. Only Rām. And when you say Rām, the third time when you renounce, then again comes Rāma. Ram, Ram... now you don't know if it's the beginning or the past. Ram, Ram... you know, we did it in practice sometimes. Ram, Ram... Ram. Then after that, it's called Bhikārī, not writing, but always saying, "Rām, Rām... Rām, Rām," with that positive name, or negative. That someone says, "Now I will kill you." Immediately, our whole hair is also vibrating like this. So, Līkīt and Bākī. The third practice of the mantra is to get the perfection. And that's called Upāṃśu. And that is, our lips are moving only. I have one disciple, and his father also, he passed away two years. Even in the night, deep, he's sleeping, but he was telling, "Rām, Rām... Rām, Rām... Rām." And when you cannot do this, then you want to go somewhere else. That is not good. So that means that in your whole Ātmā, in your soul, in everything, you are bringing it into the completely wrong way. Very important. It is said, when young couples marry, okay, they are happy, they enjoy, they love each other, but it's not forever. After some time, maybe. But that love, which is a love that is in the heart as a husband and wife, and that is why in our heart there are two parts. And when you divorce and go away, your heart will be aching. This is because people are lost; they don't know what it is. And nowadays they are making in these schools more and more kind of education, and it doesn't matter. Go, and life is finished, and hurry home, and then, and what? They are suffering, they will suffer, very much suffering. You see that people at the age of about 80 or 90, couples together, they married when they were about 20. But still they are happy together, because they know the ātmā to ātmā. So the Upāṃśu, the mantra. Then the fourth one is called Mānasika. Mānasik. Mānasik means in our mind. Our mind, our mind is in every second somewhere, and our soul and our heart are constantly disturbed. Mind here, and here, and... here. Where is your mind? And when somebody is giving a lecture and you are listening, it doesn't matter which kind of lecture, maximum three minutes, your concentration is, anyone who is there, then their mind will go somewhere. For example, Professor Dayālpuri, he is giving one lecture. And students are listening in three minutes. And then, what did he teach yesterday? Why is the mind going back? Or, I said, it's not so necessary. So, mind is very chañcal. So, the mind does not die; all else, everything, will die. So the fifth mantra is that when you are there, then you can say, "Yes, now I am in yogic consciousness." Otherwise, not. And now, then comes the fifth one. And what is that one? Ajapa japa, ajapa, jishe japa nahī. So that automatically, constantly in the body, at that time you are with your body, it goes to Brahmaloka. Often, I could see when Gurujī was sleeping, and I was sleeping there in the room, and sometimes his blanket was like there, some vibration and some lights are coming. Once I said, "Gurujī, fire!" He said, "What? It was fire. There is no fire." Go into another room. So that was Holy Gurujī's, and Mahāprabhujī was one. That was Gurujī had—Mahāprabhujī had many disciples, but the last, final one was Guru Dev's Swami Madhavānandjī. And it is like the light of Mahāprabhujī and Devapurījī. Mahāprabhujī, Gurujī have brought this here, and we will see where we can bring the light. So, Mahāprabhujī was singing this bhajan, and Gurujī came, and Gurujī was standing with both hands and a mālā in them, like this. Holy Gurujī said, "Bhagavān, Kṛpā Nidhān," What is that? What a miracle! Where is a boat under the middle of the ocean? Where are you going? Mahāprabhujī said, Now you should go. And Mahāprabhujī, the Devapurījī's Śiva, he just now passed away through that ocean. And I'm calling him. Mahāprabhujī said, "I'm in the middle of the ocean." My boat, my boat is sinking. And Gurujī said, Mahāprabhujī said, "Go to Kailāśa and make a very nice samādhi of Devapurījī's well." In the same way, that is called the master and disciple; it's like a mother and child and father. But they forget. But that spiritual, the master and disciples, they are coming more and more close. But if they will jump to one side, then you fall out of the boat. Guru Nanak Sahib said that those who are sitting in the boat, the captain will bring you to the beach or shore. But if you jump out, just for a little dip in the ocean, a little bit to enjoy in the water. The shark is waiting. Very good. It will eat you immediately. Therefore, do not go out of that boat of the Gurudev's instructions. So in this way, Mahāprabhujī said, Gurujī was really... Gurujī was one, two years, was very, very... like he was depressed, but he was strong, but he knew, he knew. And many times, and in many dreams, Gurujī always said, "Mahāprabhujī is coming, Mahāprabhujī is coming." And so is my condition to the Holy Gurujī. But sometimes Holī Gurujī takes two, three months. Because I may be naughty. But Gurujī is taking always care, always care, and what we call all this knowledge, what Gurujī gave from Mahāprabhujī and Devapurījī, that is a very big miracle. So there was, Gurujī told one story about that one who... Really believe in God, and who doesn't believe in God? And what they will call studying and the science. The science will bring you further. Science will make you a great person. Well, that principal of the college, and he was a student of science, and it is, we all people, when we have something a little more, a step on in our studies, then we are like, "I am great." So, at that time of the British, there was a beautiful park in Gujarat, Ahmedabad, a very beautiful little city. Now it's a big, big city, and there's a beautiful park, and every day that scientist, the principal, he was going walking every day, morning and afternoon. He has a nice hat on his head, a nice little street, and nice polished shoes, and one cigar in his hand. Every day going, coming. One day, there was a yogī sitting under a beautiful tree. About 10 meters height tree, and so the yogī was, let's say, our Swami Dayāl Purī. Very thin. I could have taken him, Vivek Puri, but he's not so thin, that's why. And he's doing his mālā. Meditating. The principal made one round, second round, he became angry. What is this person doing? Stupid. Eyes closed, legs are twisted. What is he doing? Must be their brain, nothing. Neck on the third, the third, what is the third? Browned. He said, "I think I should tell something about this, why he's like an animal." So he said, "Yogi, why should he say anything?" He went again and said, "He doesn't answer, why?" Then he said, "Boy," and he said, "Yes, sir, what are you doing?" I am meditating. What is that? Meditation for what? God, where is your God? He is here and there. God is not God? Is he stupid? All are talking about God, and religion is stupid, stupid. Suddenly, the yogī started to sit more straight. Mister, Who are you to say that God has no God and is stupid, God? He said, "Yes, I can tell you, and look, there are big trees that have little fruit, and big plants, so pumpkin, 10-10 kilos, 20 kilos on the ground, and this vine." It is so soft it falls down, and this means that God has no knowledge, for little plants have so big, and big have so little, a little. Yogi said, "Mister, that's all?" What do you mean? That's all. Come to me in my college, and I will teach you. He said, "Oh, nice of you." But please, just wait for a minute. We are wasting my time. No, no, sir. I want to give the lesson of God to you. You want to give me the knowledge of God to me? I am the science, that's why, sir. I am giving you the knowledge. Of God, and in that minute, the yogī said, "God, please wake up the eyes of this man." Give him this knowledge, and that fruit was little. And what did happen? He fell down on the head of the principal. And the principal said, "Yogi said, 'Sir, what happened?'" What was it? Oh, there's nothing, little fruit of this tree. Mister, it was not a little fruit. If that had been a big, pumping pump and had fallen on your head, on your pumpkin, what would have happened? You are right. We should research again. He said your research is only limited, but God's research is endless. Come and practice half an hour with me in meditation. I will come and sit with you every day a little bit to give you the lesson. Yes, yes, Mister, this is your good luck. Hurry home, and therefore no one can defeat God. We have signs, a lot and a lot. But these signs we have are also not enough. Now, what they did is wrong. Now, coming further and coming further is okay. That's good. But still, they cannot do what God can do. And therefore, yoga. Yoga is before all creation, where there is science. It's called the space and light, the sound. And there are these three principles: Brahmā, Viṣṇu, and Śiva. And there it is said, in this universe they were not visible, anything. But now they are coming, and now what happens? There is one answer coming to us, for all of us. Many times, mostly Western people said, If you are holy, or you are a yogī, then please give us an answer. Yes, what? Tell us, please: was the bird first or the egg first? Please show me this, your science. Was the bird before or the egg? Your mother before, or you were before? If not, then you are not a yogī. I said, "Well, I will tell you sometimes." And now, I got it, and you should always answer this. Swayam Bhū, Śiva. Śiva has no mother and no father, no elements. He became from itself, and he became two, as Śiva and Śakti, from where again we begin. So it is Śiva, he brought this, and it is going more and more. So if someone tells you, then you should say Swayambhu. How do you explain to me Swayambhu? Wait, boy, wait. Wait. After some years, a girl will get a child. From where did it come? So this is your mother, that principle, but where was it in your mother? Swayambhū, the Śiva. Similarly, we have to go through that research till the oneness where there is nothing. Now, we did a lot of research, and we tried to follow something, what we call telephone. Yes, science has made this into a telephone, but still, this is a physical material. Through that it goes, but those yogīs, they could talk from the Himalayas to the Alps. No instrument, no batteries, nothing. How did they do it? Why don't you give us everything for free? If you are the scientist and the best, then tell, "Don't do anything. I give you." Now you talk as you like to talk. But they are catching us, limiting us, and we are limited, without limitation. So, there are many things in our life, yoga, we cannot lift anyone. So, at that time, there was no question of religion. The word "religion" came from the Kali Yuga. And in this Kali Yuga came many religions. There is no other religion than only Śiva, Brahma and Viṣṇu. And that's called what we call the Sanātana. And the Sanātana means eternal. All vegetation, rivers, oceans, air, animals, humans, and life. Everything is that Sanātan, but religion is something like a part. That chapter and this chapter. There is one chapter in the Holy Book, this, and the next page is another chapter. But it is one book. Similarly, this one, one is, that is Sanātana. So people don't understand. And what people understand in religion, they don't understand that. It is all fighting and fighting and fighting. Therefore, first is the yoga. And yoga is not religion, but all religion is yoga. That's all. How? Next day, that's it, so we have to come. No one can get the yoga. All what yoga people are doing as the yoga is not religion, and this, and they are confused. This time in the conference in New Delhi, I will say, "You are confused, don't talk this." I did, you remember, and again I... Will tell like this, what is the Patañjali? What was the Rāvaṇa? The Rāvaṇa was a great, great person, and he could talk from Śrī Laṅkā to the Himalayas. Everything. He had all the places of the world. He had his thoughts and his persons. But one thing destroyed him, and what was that? Ego. And ego kills everything. And so somebody will say, "I'm great, my science, I'm a doctor, I'm a yogī," then it will go down. But God Rāma, how humble he was. And how? Everywhere, love everyone, respect everyone. So there are many things. Vedas, Vedas are only about six or seven thousand years old, written. Was it? That's called Śruti and Smṛti. Śruti and Smṛti. So that was mastered by a master in our brain. Their brain, their memory was so great, but the ṛṣi came and said, now in these Kali Yugas, they will not have any more memory, and we lost the Vedas. And this science, this what we call the technology on this earth now, they have killed our brain. Every time I'm telling you, do you have 65 telephone numbers by heart? Don't ask me, please. Even I don't know my telephone number. This is this. So that was, that Veda Vyāsa said, it is true today. But that memory the ṛṣi had, that is called Śruti and Smṛti. What you heard, that you learned, and you give further. But that we don't have anymore, and as we are coming closer and closer, we are completely lost. So, come on to the techniques of the yogic now. We have to come all. I know we are very neglected. We love yoga, and we are each other. We love us very much. You are my bhaktas, and you said, "My gurujīs," and we are good. But we didn't practice properly. From today on, at least one and a half hours every day, practice yoga. It doesn't matter. And on that day when you cannot practice, do not eat anything. Next day, first practice and then eat. But you have no time to practice. You have no time to eat. The next day, also don't eat. That's it. So please, but yoga means not only jump up and down. Now they are making yoga conferences and competitions. I said always, in yoga there is no competition and no challenge. No challenge. When the wise people said that you are great, please, can you do it? He said, "No, no, my son, you do it, you are great." He said, "No, no, please, can you take grandfather?" So we don't want to take them over; that's not good. Therefore, our Yoga in Daily Life book is what is called the holy book. And our bhajans of Gurujī are so nice. Now, I have begun in India to translate all the bhajans of Mahāprabhujī, Gurujī, and all disciples nicely into the Hindi language, and then they will be translated into good English, and then we will give them further. I am doing this. And this one book, one book translation, I will give them at least 2,000 to 3,000 euros. That person will be so happy; day and night, he will do it very quickly. Money is money, Kali Yuga. And I met a test from Jodhpur, some scholar, Sanskrit scholar, Hindi scholar, and he wrote this one bhajan or prayer, three pages, one bhajan, and it's very nice. I like it very much. So I will go, and I will tell you first, "Hold this book," and then we will do the second. Similarly, Mahāprabhujī's Līlāmṛta, that we have to, how do you say, more, yes, write again more clearly so that all people can understand it as our holy book. And the Viśva's bhajan, it's very complicated. I gave him. It's not only dancing. Meera Nasi, by Bhakti Devī, she danced more than Mīrā Bāī. Yes. Who has seen how Mīrā was dancing? But our Bhakti Devī, no? She is a great dancer. Yes. If I will, more and more, I will try to talk good about her, she will come and dance here immediately. So I will not glorify her. So that bhajan which he brought, it is also, you can say, a bhajan or as a prayer, and you know, that is, you know, verse one? Oh, yeah. Very nice. Which one? Sit here. For your back. Ātmā Prabhu charāchar kī rūpa, apo sāpo vimalachetanā. Ātmā Prabhu vimalachetanā jñāna, āge āgam jāge nighaṁ se nitya ātmā antaryāmī, charāchar kī ātmā. After this bhajan, you show your film. Ātmā Ucchāra Carkī Ātmā Dhyāsya Dhyāsya Udhīnāsaya Āpai Paramātmā Prabhu Āpai Paramātmā Kāśī Tārīyatamā Purāṅke Purāṇatamā Purāṅke Purāṇatamā Purāṅke Purāṇatamā Purāṅke Purāṇatamā Sakala Jagake Andarayāmī, charā chara kī ātmā Prabhu, charā chara kī ātmā. Devakī Nārāyaṇmā Brahmī kī, Svāmī Madhavānandjī Bhagavān kī, Viśva Gurujī Mā Manaleśvar Śrī Svāmī Īśvarānandjī Gurudev kī, Svāmī Śiva Nāṇjīmā Rājā kī Jaya.

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