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Forms of God

The choice between form and formlessness is presented for contemplation. God possesses both aspects: the visible, physical form and the invisible, formless space. Bhagavān Kṛṣṇa stated there is no difference between them. As physical beings, we experience the world of form through our senses. The formless state is described as an emptiness with no objects, companions, or physical needs. While both are equal, being in a physical body allows for spiritual practice and enjoyment of life. The soul persists after the body dies, but its nature is elusive. Ultimately, both aspects reside within the individual. Life in form involves work and difficulty but also connection. The formless offers freedom from all needs. The choice between them is a personal consideration.

"Bhagavān Kṛṣṇa said, 'No difference.'"

"In Nirakāra, we don’t see anything."

Filming location: Strilky, Czech Republic

First, we take permission from the Cosmic Self and offer prayers and blessings to our Guru Paramparā. We revere our holy Gurujīs: Mahāprabhujī, Devapurījī, Lalanandjī, Brahmanandjī, Śivanandjī, and all Alakpurījīs—these are our spiritual saints. We adore all of them. You and I are one. I do not count myself separately. I am with you, and you are with me. We are one. So now, we shall offer blessings again. Oṁ Namaḥ Siddhi Prabhu Dīpa Nārāyaṇam... Hama Sabdās Prabhu-śaraṇa-parāyaṇaṁ. Oṁ namo śrī Prabhu-dīpanārāyaṇa. Hama Sabdās Prabhu-śaraṇa-parāyaṇaṁ. Oṁ śrī Prabhu-dīpa Nārāyaṇa Siddhi Nārāyaṇa Bhagavān kī jaya. Devadhī Dev, Devaīśvar Mahādev, Satguru Svāmīmādvanam Jībhagavān, Satyasanātan Dharmakījā, Om Śānti, Om Śānti, Om Śānti, Om Śānti, Om Śānti, Om Śānti. Good evening, all dear sisters and brothers, our children. I bless you for this program of ours. I am sure that today you had very good spiritual practices. You know that for us, in this anuṣṭhāna, we maintain only positive thinking and positive talking, positive feelings, and so on. Part of this Anuṣṭhāna is that you have only positive thoughts, positive feelings, and positive words. In this whole area of our ashram, all who are here in this spirituality are the same. It is not that someone is doing the Kriyā Anuṣṭhān, someone is in the kitchen, and someone is in the garden. All is one. That is very, very important for us. We should tell those who are coming late or those who are coming for the first time about how we live here, how we practice activities, and how everything in one day is unified with us. We should pass on this knowledge, this information about how we practice here, how we live here, and that we are all here in unity. God, as we call, has two aspects. One is the physical. The other is space. Bhagavān Kṛṣṇa speaks about this in the twelfth chapter. He was asked, "Arjuna, which is better?" Nirakāra or Sākāra? Nirakāra is invisible. Sākāra is visible, what we are. Bhagavān Kṛṣṇa said, "No difference." But we are still physical humans. So we see, we look, we feel, touch, and we can speak many things. This is Sākāra, living. Those who are very far, spiritually developed, then they see Nirakāra. In Nirakāra, we don’t see anything. Not even one friend is with you. Not one little stick to work with. Death somewhere. Not one piece of fruit or drop of water. No sound. And if so, whom are you calling? No place to sit, no step for standing. You can go above, go, go, go. No one to say, "Hello, friend, how are you?" We will say. I cannot write a letter. There is nothing to write. You don’t have a body. Do you want to go now? Or will you come back again here? This is your choice. Yes. Once said, "Nirakāra." Then it means no picture. Nothing to eat, because whatever we eat is sākāra. Water is also sākāra. So we are here, and there is nothing. So sometimes I’m not telling that Krishna said this. Otherwise, Krishna will tell me in this picture too. So, my dear, it’s not easy. Even when we are ill, we are in the hospital, with needles, etc. But when this Jīvātmā goes out of this body, then even you cannot touch. Sorry, it is said like a ghost, and you don’t know where is a ghost. Maybe it is, but they see us, but we don’t see them. They cannot touch us, they cannot speak with us, and we cannot touch them, and we can’t talk to them. Nirakār and Sākār. In Sākār, enjoy, yes, very good. So now it is your choice. So I think better is good, come back first as a little child, beautiful, good health body, and if you say, "No, I don’t want anymore coming here in the world, finished." But there is Ātmā, maybe, and said, "Ātmā, to whom to talk?" So Bhagavān Kṛṣṇa asks Arjuna, "Sākār or Nirākār?" Nirākār and Sākār. Bhagavān said both are equal. But as long as you are in a physical body, it is better for us. There we can do sādhanā, we can practice, and we enjoy. We go to the temple, we go to the ashram, we go to the mosque, we go everywhere. We are going there. So in this time, we cannot enjoy, or we can enjoy. So it is said that, enjoy here in the ashram. After two hours, two and a half hours, so I would ask you the question, but neither to Arjuna nor to Kṛṣṇa, but I ask you. I am not a Kṛṣṇa that you ask me, so, etc. But let us say that our thinking now, we see our eyes, we have our hands, our colors, our dress, everything. So let’s say Sākār. So we are all Sākār here, very nice greenery, nice trees, everything. And after it’s beautiful, after Nirakara, beauty, you have space as much as place. You need not have one house; the whole universe is your house, no problems. You can sleep, very divine sleeping, without bed, no window, but because of the pillow, everything. So, what do you, let’s say, we are talking about ourselves. Should I say first Sākār? And you know, in the Sākār, it is torturing. We don’t know. You know how the people are killing the animals. How are they making wrong things? Cutting the whole greenery, and very hard working: home, office, home, office, home, office, home. White husband, white dad. Hard work, hard work, many, many... many. No work, no money. No money, no money. But still, you are enjoying. I don’t know, you think enjoy. This is Sākar. We can touch, we can do this. Another is, there is no one who can talk with you about anything. And no one can do you wrong things. You don’t need money. You don’t need food. You are sleeping in the sky. Which is written in the Holy Gurujī’s, which has written the sleeping, what we call the... Yogī Janakī Yoga Nidrā. Yogī Janakī Yoga Nidrā. And so the Gurujī described it in this bhajan. So in that, it is said, sleeping in the sky. But there is no dress, no body, no problem. We don’t need to wash ourselves; no one goes shopping. That is also very good. Now, let’s ask first Sākar, yānī now. So, who would like to? But I tell you, you are a football. And everyone will kick that football, and how? And how many torturing? But that is a ball. So, are you better at this football? Or just the air, Hari Om? So, let’s come to Sākar. Who would like to have, please? Hand up? If the next life. What? In the next life? She means like in the next life, or now? Everything, next life, first life, third life. Everything. You see? So we are Sakar, and we will die, but still we are connected, always looking at our families. And we are making, you know, the pūjā, yes. Once a year we are going in the cemetery, and our ancestors, we are there, we are coming back. It’s a new dress, but we are not good, okay? So now, who would like to have now, let’s say, physically, yeah, I am still here. Yes, if Swāmījī is here, then he will say, "Yes, I am here." Okay. Yes, the other one, Nirakāra. Nirākār, one, two, three, four, five, six. Okay. Now, there are two: Nirakāra and Sākāra. So those who are doing Nirakāra, then practice, practice, hard practice, practice, practice. Then you are in Nirakār, happy, joy, Nirakār. And Sakar, we are here, this, that, and what is between? That’s it. In between is a lot of what we call the clouds. So you are clouds. You are dripping down upon this snow. This, that, everything. Yes, from the spiritual, but not from the ghost. This soul is neither here nor there. And so again, that is a football inside. Neither this, nor that. As much here or there, and there is written how one is going. There’s one book they have written, you know, that life and death, and in and out. The body is gone, but something is with us. And then they cannot speak to us, but they can visualize. But they need a car. But others may think there is a ghost. There is no. They cannot show you the form. But they will. They will make themselves like their shadow. So I don’t know if it is true or not. You know, in Britain or somewhere, they wake up at night from the cave, and when the sun rises, before that, they are sleeping again. So Nirakāra and Sākāra are both inside the bones, and this is under the earth, and coming out like a vampire, so I can tell this evening, they are very nice. So, should I bring vampires tonight? But, how many trousers do you have? Yes. So, this is how to understand and what we should do. So, heaven and hell, both are here. And so, how do we purify our five elements and again become one like the sky? And how beautiful this is, and there is no dust or anything. All dust and everything may be going about, let’s say, maximum 10,000 meters up. As long as it is what we have, what we call the, till we have dust. From there, we are going up. So it is said that at a certain distance, our water, earth, etc., are all above. Our water is hanging, and there we are also. And above that, that water, and this cannot go up. Similarly, we, how many ages we are here? And when we come above, where are we going? Therefore, there must be the path. It will go, and we don’t feel cold and hot, and only this is here. So now we are between, so never at the inside. After, it will come, and what will be, how will be, that I cannot tell you, but it comes as Holy Gurujī’s bhajan, "Chaudah Lok." Akṣo Brahman Brahmāṇḍ, so in which Brahmāṇḍ we are one. And after going, how many? Invisible. That is only for the great of the great of the great. They can go so far. Above that, they cannot anymore come back. That is the sādhanā, and that we may call God, or may be called Ṛṣi, or we call Sadguru. And these are, that is the sādhanā, and these are those whom we call Ṛṣi, whom we call God, or whom we call Sadguru. So in this way, a takto, we in our sādhanā, při naší sādhaně, we see it. My říkáme. We don’t know what we do. So one said this is good, others said not good. One said, "Good to eat meat and kill the animals." Others said, "No, this is a sin." What to do? But generally, it is said that they do not torture any creatures. It kills something through us, but not purposely. When we are driving our car, and in the beginning of nice time, December, November, December, and how many fleets they are attacking our car, but then one thing is this: such fleas mostly, mostly, even not one second, just like... This, and in that way, it is they are already in the other lokas. You still don’t know. It will say, "Oh, there is no oh." That is a good life. But otherwise, it’s painful. So what can we do? So it is said, we do a lot of prayers. So, every religion or every spiritual person, they are doing prayer, they are praying. But making prayers and the other side is different; that is not good. You go for a prayer, and a couple is married, and many people, and like this, and the pandit or the church. The priest, they are making prayers, everything very good, and God, and this and that. After, they are going for dinner or something. So in the church, they make holy prathana, prayer, and how many animals they are slaughtering. Now, God says, "To whom should I give blessing and this?" It is just doing, drinking, eating, that, that. Just to say that, okay, now we are berries, and now we are only. So many things in our life are very difficult. Don’t other animals, at least, remain innocent in what they are doing? But what we are doing, we are between now. And so, therefore, we said prayer, we said prayer, we said prayer. And prayer also we can do any time, driving your car, and you can sing bhajan or anything, "Om namo śrī prabhu dī," yes, and drive even without voice. And of course, if your friends are inside in the car, then talk beautiful things. Yes, there is no one who can tell you negative. It is within ourselves that we are doing. We are driving, and suddenly you said, "Let’s sing one song." Or now, video inside, or some other stories, and some they have nice bhajans or church bhajans and many things. So it is said, or Sākāra and Nirākāra. Both are in you, not in others. No one can talk in you. No one can do anything, but there is something called fear. And the fear is a very difficult one, then one dies. Many people, very much so. No fear, no fear, no fear. It’s only that we are afraid, afraid. Sometimes there is a little fear. And the doctor has done just like making chapatis. He makes a nice chapati dough and makes the chapati, and it is a very good chapati. We are all enjoying it. So thanks to God that he gives a little injection. You don’t feel anything. And after, make it nicely clean and that, and say, "Now everything is very good, and you are okay, and you are alive." And so, say, "Oh, thank you, doctor. Thank you." But that time, sometimes they were beating him by hands and legs, how do you say, the dating, dating. They tied him; there were times when it was like that. They tied him to the bed, hands, legs. And alcohol in the mouth, and they gave him alcohol. And it was painful. And it was painful. But thanks to God, the science, and the doctors, who give life. So it’s in between that. So we are neither this side nor that side. But karma is there. So it will be very good. And why do many things happen like that? It is our own mistakes. Many, many things we are doing wrong in our body. I’m talking about the body. And how many people are in day and night operations in hospitals? Let’s say 100 years before, or two hundred years before. How many hospitals do you have in the Czech Republic? Even people did not know what a hospital is. And now, nearly in every village, we have some hospital. Why? Because we do not live life in a good way. Operation where something falls down, and this and that is another thing. So I would say, how many people from our yoga and daily life are practicing every day? How many of us, yogīs in our daily life, practice yoga every day? And what is your age? Let’s say 20 years. 10 years. 10 years you worked very well with yoga and death life. You need no medicine. Operation is a different thing, or the accident is a different thing. So I would say, who is practicing 20 years of yoga in their life here with you now, and you practice every day? So, how is your health? One, two, not like that. She is telling him, she is telling her husband, "This way, please. Thank you very, very much." Yes, and ten years practice now, good health from ten till one hundred years. Whose hands, please? Up. Who is ten to one hundred years old and who is in good health? Please, who is... All. Hey, come again. Now please. Who has been practicing for more than 10 years and is in good health? Not like this. They are... Little up... really up. Okay, very good. We are not like a God. We are not holy saints, and we are not holy people. We are only normal humans, but we are living, we are practicing, and therefore, definitely, we will die. But we will go comfortably. As long as we live, we shall enjoy. And all yogic people, they are eating, they are eating very good, very good, tasteful, what we call the Ayurveda. And I do not eat, of course. I never eat any meat or alcohol. But maybe some little animals went in my thing, I don’t know, in the night or something. And I do many things according to that, that is nourishment. Ayurveda, ayur means life, the long life. So, Āyurveda and that, the doctor, Veda. And here, just here in our ashram, there is one person, and she is learning, working, and doing for Āyurveda. So we don’t say there is a medicine, but there is meaning. And now, that is for me. Always, they used to do in India so, winter time, and here, that one, she made this very nice, we call it laḍḍu, and she made, brought me a nice big one, a bowl, and it is very nice. You can’t imagine, so it’s not very big. Don’t take so much, just like this. And in the morning, before anything, eat this for one hour, and then you can have your chai or this. And you know, I’m eating now, nearly nine months, the salad and one little chapati. So I’m not hungry. And with this one little laddū, I was so hungry, though I ate after salad and this and that. So good feeling in this stomach. Evening, before going to sleep, I said, "I want to eat, eat also one." The tongue is, what we will say, the tongue is... Very, I will give the word. I know my English, Hindi, but that anyhow, and you know, with the diabetes a little bit, and so when I got this, not that laddū, and my sugar is going down, so I eat one chapati more. So then I said to my stomach, Oh my God, oh, you are my stomach. You try to do something for me anyhow, so this, I, she has done, I would say, and she did very, very nice. Only one thing is not in that. Inside is a gum of the trees, particular gums, that is very powerful, and one ajwain. So, I think it is said that that makes you—I don’t want to tell you, should I tell? Yes, yes, please. I mean, it’s not a negative. But it doesn’t matter, men or women, the age will come back. You will be very relaxed, and it will be like we will be very healthy, and our age will become slow. Now, I don’t know, this person has these laddus with her. It should be at least about five to ten kilos. Every day, now is time, winter time. So, one laddu only. If you eat in the evening also, then after three hours, if you eat anything, after that you take this one. And there is nothing that you need precautions for, or something like this. Only don’t take the yogurt and something like that, but I don’t know. I’ve forgotten the name of that girl, and I don’t know her house and where she is making laddū. So I will ask them, and because I don’t want to tell anybody, otherwise she will become rich. Okay, she should be rich, why not? But all kinds, but different kinds, of this material are difficult to get. So our life, but our Lāḍū is, you know, my Lāḍū for us? Guru Kṛpā. Guru Kṛpā is the Lāḍū. But Lāḍū is Guru Kṛpā. It’s just one word out of the tongue. Tongue said, "Swāmījī, whatever you want to do, I will work for you." I’m talking, speaking, this, that, yes. I am your person. But Swamiji, when you are talking only, you make my tongue a little bit tired. And now this tongue said to me, "Now, tongue is a very, very..." She said, "Swami, sometimes can you give me lāḍū also?" So I took one. Now I already took five because of this tank, and you know what? The tank’s story tomorrow: Om Namah Śrī Prabhupāda Pānarāyaṇam.

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