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Nothing is forever

A spiritual discourse on the cyclical nature of purification, karma, and liberation, shared through personal stories of a disciple's training.

"Gurujī said, 'Yes, it will come to the hell. But it will come...' I don't understand."

"Guruji said, 'This cycle, when it's moving, upper is down, down is up, will go again down, and this is a circle. So this is the cycle of this jīva, svarga and naraka, but there is neither; naraka is forever, and not svarga forever.'"

The lecturer recounts lessons from his childhood with his Guru in a Nepalese ashram, using the analogies of washing a stained cloth and the turning of a bicycle wheel to explain that states of heaven (svarga) and hell (naraka) are temporary, cyclical phases of purification for the soul, not permanent destinations. He emphasizes the patient, practical guidance of a master in teaching this concept, integrating references to bhajans, scriptural teachings from the Bhagavad Gītā, and the ultimate goal of transcending duality to realize nāda rūpa parabrahma (the supreme reality as sound).

Filming location: Strilky, Czech Republic

Hari Om, Deva Di Dev Deveshwar Mahādev Kī Jai, Alak Purī Jī Mahādev Kī Jai, Deva Di Dev Deveshwar Mahādev Kī Jai, Bhagavān Śrī Dīp Nārāyaṇ Mahāprabhū Jī Kī Jai, Satguru Svāmī Mahādvājan Jī Bhagavān Kī Jai. Satya Sanātan Dharma Kī Jai. All dear sisters, brothers, around the whole world, all my dears, and all Yoga in Daily Life. Všichni, kdo jste z yogī v denním životě, naše cesta yogī pokračuje a bude pokračovat, dokud se nesjednotíme s kosmickým vesmírným vědomím. Of course, we need this body, and God has given immense knowledge, power, understanding, spirituality, everything. And we are all trying, and we are learning continuously. Nāda rūpa parabrahma. Finally, it is nāda rūpa parabrahma. The sound is parabrahma. Parabrahma, all within itself, many are great yogīs or gods, and it's not only one god, all. They are controlling everything in balance and happiness. But it comes also where there are beautiful fruits from the bush in the forest, where in the thicket, in the woods, beautiful fruits grow. There are beautiful fruits; it is beautiful fruit, forest berries. But that bush also has many thorns. Ale ty maliny, ostružiny také mají hodně trnů, like what we call the hook, a jsou jako takové háčky. We put our hand in the bush to get the fruit, and we want to come out from hand, there are the thorns. These thorns catching us. Similarly, there are more thorns than the fruits. Protection sometimes, wait, and fruits will come. They will fall down for us, but if someone wants to do hurry. Then we have to get also the torrents. Also, everywhere, even in ourselves, in our body, there are both negative and positive rākṣasas and devas. And that is when we are coming to that one path that we want to achieve. But negativity is coming inside. And in our body, in every creature, there is both. The life and death, they are going with that, so step by step. There is one bhajan from Mahāprabhujī, and you know, all, many times you have heard this bhajan or singing through the bhajan. Mahāprabhujī said beautiful that bhajan. And Mahāprabhujī recited it beautifully. You bhajan, you know that. Manva means mind. Mind is very, very restless. Man marā no mamatā marī, mar gayā deva śarīr. ... So, man mara no mamata mari, man will not die. Mamata mārī, also mamata, I want this, this, this. Similarly, it is also on the path of all. It doesn't matter even if we are human, and there is definitely this: the body will go one day. It doesn't matter if one is a yogī or a whole yogī, but one day that jīva... Will go, so yoga, what we call, "I'm coming very down again." This body, that body, is temporary. And if it is possible, get it, what you want to get, good, bad. Negative, powerful? No. Powerful meditation, mantras, puja, or doing negative things? And then every jīva—jīva means ātmā, soul. Now we have it in the human body. How long? Maybe immediately we came in human bodies. Lucky are we, we were not in other bodies, or we were going through, crawling through the lake, water. From the high mountain, water goes down to the ocean, and good is the water that rains immediately into the ocean. And they are, how to say, very pure; purity is coming again in the ocean. And it is said, the yogīs say, there is one sheep in the ocean, fish. And there is a certain time, and they don't want to take the water. So when the rain is coming, the fish comes out with an open mouth, and that drip comes in the mouth. That becomes what we call this beautiful, there, pearl. But there is a particular constellation. Not always coming. And at that time, that drip from the water, from the ocean, that is one of the best pearls. So, same like for humans. When their parents and grandparents and grandparents... were such great souls, they come again together, very pure, and they come as holy, and those who come. But it comes in the negative waters. It means it comes in different energy. Those who are yogīs, or all other humans, it doesn't matter how or from where they came, But we brought it, that God or whatever it is, we can say. We came as humans. When we are doing many negative things, But it will come again. So once I said to Guruji, "When the people, they are all dirty." Dirty means drinking, like, alcohols or many things, or meat, and so on. But still the soul was, it came into the human's consciousness. But the time will come, one day it will come purely. I did not understand. I said, "Gurujī, I cannot understand. Please tell me very simply how to understand." In Nepal ashram, me and Gurujī were in the ashram, because it's a little village. All are the farmers, all little, little villages. So people are coming and going. Sometimes they cannot come because they are harvesting things. So it means that I was sitting with Gurujī, and Gurujī was sometimes telling me many stories, some lectures, and some bhajans—what means that bhajans, likewise—and so Gurujī was talking about something. So I said, "Gurujī, how is that? Tell me, there is one person who is everyday making pūjā and this and that. Others are doing it sometimes, but more negative." So will they go in the Naraka or the Svarga? Gurujī said, "Yes." But I will tell you after. Take my dress and wash my cloth. OK, Gurujī. I remember this from yesterday, what I was speaking. How to give knowledge to the students, disciples, how to teach them. Sometimes only worldly, or practical, as in the Bhagavad Gītā, which is written there, in the twelfth chapter, so Arjuna said to Bhagavān Kṛṣṇa, Which is good? This physical, like this? Or in the astral? Bhagavān Kṛṣṇa said, "Both are the same." Nirakār and Sākār. Nirakār is not in the body, and Sākār is in the body, but both sides are the same. But we are also physical people, so we can understand how we can touch them. We can see them, we speak to them, we eat, we drink water. So this is sākār. And we are living like this. And Nirakāra, it is just like I spoke in the clouds, but better for us because we are in a physical body, it is easier. So learn in the 12th chapter, where in the beginning it is written this. Guruji went, and he was washing. And I brought the cloth back, and I was hanging the laundry. Guruji said, "Come here, come here. Look at my salt out in my cloth here. There was a black oil spot." Oh yeah, Gurujī, I'm sorry. Go then, go again, put in the water and come back. He cleaned and was drying. And Gurujī said, "That's not good." In the white spot, before the black spot, now it's white. Gurujī, what should I do? Because you're rubbing too much. And therefore, now there are spots again, so slowly we will bring the color, color. And, you know, there is a Kabīr Dās Jī's bhajan that, "How? What is that?" So that bhajan is like, "Who?" Well, Gurujī said, "Now make some bhajan cooking." I was about nine or ten years. I was cooking for Gurujī: chabjī, chapatis. And sometimes she said, "Too much chili." I said, because you said to me, "Gurujī, this chili is good," and that was very hot. And sometimes too much salt, so I said, or sometimes very little salt. Gurujī, if I taste myself first, Then I'm not giving to God first, to Gurudeva first. And if you're tasting, sometimes you take with a spoon, but not like that. Gurujī, what should I do? What should I do? Do proper. Next day, we were sitting. Guruji was in the ashram, and he was sitting with Guruji's bhajans. Guruji was making bhajans, singing, and I came from school through my little village, you know that. And there is a river, you know. One or two months the river is flowing, otherwise it is completely dry. One or two days is high water, then otherwise still the knee. I was coming, and Gurujī said, "You came today late." I said, "Yes, the teacher was teaching too much. Well, then cook something." I said, "I brought you food already. Some village people, they give fruit, vegetables, and something for Gurujī." Guruji said, "I know why you came late." You went to your house. You were eating first, and you brought the food. Because it is my mother's house, also holy Gurujī's birth village, our house. Guruji said, "I know." I said, "No, no, Guruji eats." I will not eat. Go and make food. Yes, I was thinking. It was very nice food. I will eat, and I will make for Gurujī. How a guru is training the disciple? And then I made for Gurujī. Gurujī said, "Oh, tasteful." And Gurujī said, "Oh, that's great, bring me one more." "Chapati," I said, "Guruji, five chapatis, and you ate only three or two chapatis, and I give five. Still you want to have one more, because they are very tasty." I was very much like this. So, Gurujī, you were talking to me about something the day before yesterday. Yes, yes. I told you, but I forgot. So what? Look, when someone makes some negative things, many things. But we should not tell them and not kill them. Don't say that you will go to the Naraka forever. What we hear said, heaven or hell. So will you be forever in hell? Guruji, I don't like this. Guruji said, Yes, it will come to the hell. But it will come, Gurujī. I don't understand. Yes, my dear. When I or you have spots on my dress, then it goes in the water with the soap. This is like a hill. We are throwing our dress into the soap water. To je to peklo, kde to oblečení dáváme do té vody, ať se tam pořádně vymáchá. A pořádně ho pereme, propíráme. O Bože! Je to jako peklo. Ale po chvíli, je to Bůh, který řekne, jsou to moje děti, takes out from water, clean and dry again, you are like in heaven. So hell and heaven are not permanent. I tell you, there is what we call, many times we have learned this in the Rāmāyaṇa. And once we heard about Śiva, and Śiva, we have this many, many said we saw it. So, there is what we call swarga and naraka. So we don't have that like this. They are coming, they are coming back. So that is how we will, but don't think that I will be, after a little bit, wash my dress and then it's okay. No, no, it's not okay. So you made so many spots white, so we don't like that dress. So we will put it again in hot water. With the soda, it will go all color away, and then comes again pure, new. So it is not forever. Don't think it is forever. When we said that we will go to the hill, that is not nice of the God. Gurujī said. So I said, "Gurujī, this is good." So Swāmījī said, "Then to make today dālbātī, so your lesson is good. Therefore, manāvadīre dhīre chalagangar chadnare vay. Oh my, oh my disciple, oh my son." O můj dítě, o můj bhakto, nespěchej. Pěš pomalu, postupně, dej si na čas. Je jedna píseň: krok za krokem. So, then last year, in December, I decided something, and again I took the Gurujī's lesson. That I have done something, Gurujī. I feel good, but I know it's not good for me, what I have done. And if I want to give everything negative all out, It's also not good. Slowly, slowly. So, you know, it is said, if you are not a guru, A good sannyāsī, then you must have a good stomach. And I said, "Now I will slowly, slowly try to again bring my body to where I was when I was very thin, when I was a Niasi, when I came here." So I again came back. About now, you're already 11 months. That was slowly, slowly. Otherwise, it will become an illness. So, do good deeds, do everything, and then again we come out. So, this is that. It is a circle, cycling. Then, the next day, I told Guruji, again I ask something. Další den jsem se znovu ptal Gurujiho na něco. Všechno je na nic. Všechno je na kámen. Dostaneme se někdy z toho, když jsou třeba hory? Guruji řekl, and Guruji said, that's why the master must be there. Master, the master, and the Himalaya, who will move this out from that? Gurujī said, "Make nice dālbāṭī." Or, Gurujī was sometimes like a playing, but sometimes Gurujī said, "Yes, look, Bhagavān Kṛṣṇa here, he took the whole mountain up." I said, "Yes, Gurujī, but I did not see that." He said, "Well, you can see the picture." And then also, Rāvaṇa went to Śiva and asked Śivjī, "Give me some power," and he lifted the mountain. How big a mountain? Very heavy. And even the god Śiva put his leg on the mountain, but Rāvaṇa held it in such a way. Then Shiva was looking, and then Ravana was making a prayer. Then Shiva said, "I have to do," and again he came, "Yes, Gurujī, that is very good, but don't tell me stories. I want practical." Then Gurujī said, "Sit down here. I will jump on it." As you like, but I need practical. You will step on me and my back will break. I want to see practical. To come out from the hail to the heaven, and from the heaven to the hell. Gurujī said, after Dalbāṭī, And then after, Gurujī said, "I am getting a little rest." And afternoon, some people came. Evening prayers, Two, three bhajans, and Gurujī said, "Let's go sleeping." Gurujī said, "Okay, Gurujī, go to school." So I went. It was in Nepal, my school, yeah? And I was walking, going out of the ashram, in the middle of the river. That other part of the river, I went to the other side of the river, which Gurujī loudly said to my son, "Come." Again, I came. There were in the school only two teachers who had a bike. At that time, two teachers had a wheel as a specialty in the school. One teacher traveled from a village that was about 8 or 15 kilometers away. One Muslim teacher, the principal teacher. And he loves me very much. And he was also loving to all children very much. And he was a very great man. When I came to this Rányi village, Where I'm turning, always I'm thinking of my teacher, my school teacher. And so Gurujī told him, "Bring me your cycle here from the teacher." And after that, when he goes to Rani, you give him his cycle. He will go. I said, "Guruji, okay, I will say to the teacher." And Guruji said, "Bring my cycle. I cannot ride." So I was steering the cycle. And the river, sandy, only sandy, there's no road. Oh God, I was pulling. And I brought the cycle. Gurujī said, Stand this cycle. Now, holding, go here and there. Gurujī, what should I do, walking, twirling here and there? Because I want to tell you a lesson. What should I give? The lesson to the cycle? Don't tell me too much. Many things move now. Put in the stand the car or the cycle. Did you learn something, Gurujī? I didn't learn anything. I was tired, pulled the car, but now you put it in the stand, your one cycle. So, one wheel, turn it. So, it's turning like this. Do you understand this? Guruji, not that's why you told me Naraka and Svarga. So will they always be in Naraka? And they will be only in Svaraka? I don't understand. So, this cycle, when it's moving, upper is down, down is up, will go again down, and this is a circle. So this is the cycle of this jīva, svarga and naraka, but there is neither; naraka is forever, and not svarga forever, because, I say, what is then? It is like this. These two naraka svarga are temporary. It is just like a bubble of water. In the water, when we throw, there are coming bubbles on it. So this bubble is very gentle, and it will again come to the ocean. Similarly, this naraka svarga is constantly fighting, coming, going, coming, going. And when you come out, what do the yogīs say? Even if Shiva, Brahma, and Vishnu are circling. And now you see, Hanumanjī is Śiva, and Bhagavān Rām is Viṣṇu. Bhagavān Rāma is Viṣṇu, etc., Maheśa, Gurujī said, Gurujī came with the daṇḍa, the stick. Where is the cycle? Here. Now try to roll your cycle. I cannot. I will fall down. Yes, that's why I have a stick. Learn, learn, and when not, then this is daṇḍa. It was one and a half hours; Gurujī was giving me this lesson. And the teacher, we called the headmaster. So in other villages in Nepal, there is a school, and you know, everyone knows this was my school where I was. Maybe you people are not understanding, and you are not interested about school. But even if I go now in the car, to that side or to this side, there is school. And always I look my eyes to there, my school, and I say, "This was my school and my teacher." And of course, because of the Gurujī, all the teachers were very nice to me. So the teacher comes to Guruji, and Guruji told him, "Welcome, come." He gave him some prasāda, the lectures, and he took them. Guruji said, "Take them on your cycle and go." And then I was learning how to... This is, I was negative, I was a negative boy. So then, after school, for ten minutes, we were going to the toilets. And sometimes, now I tell you my negative, how negative I was. So I had one needle and was pushing his cycle, and the air got out. Teacher saw that one wheel had no air, so he said, "Please, can you go to repair it?" There was a shop about 50 meters from there, so I was going there and coming back to Damontana. Not every day, four to five days more, but I learned it. And the teacher said to Guruji, "Your disciple and my disciple like to learn," and he learned it. Guruji said, "What is that? The cycle." How? But if you are not giving daṇḍa to Swamijī. Only if you don't punish him will it be empty. Tell me. That is the pincher. Thanks to that pincher. Guruji said, "I see. It is your disciple," Guruji said. So this was a play, or not a play, but teaching. So that teacher, he died long ago. He died about, I think, about seventy years ago. He died seventy years ago. Anyhow, so that is, then I said, Gurujī, but this cycle is running like this, this is the cycling mesh of all Satyugas, Dvāparayugas, Tretāyugas, etc. Sunrise, sunset, sunrise, sunrise, sunset. Therefore, it is not forever. If for one hour or half an hour the sun will not come, it would be a disaster. You know, sometimes when the sun or moon is dark, everyone is moving. So that is the way. Nothing is forever. Even if it is negative or not good, it will come again because God has to give the choice to them. Your children need again from parents, again and again, the knowledge. So from Nādarūpa Parabrahma, and from this ocean, then sound comes. Even Śiva was blowing that from there. So, you know, yesterday from this nāda-rūpa-parabrahma, you see that you have this, everything. And there is, you know, everybody, you know this, and it has, that is nāda-rūpa. And it is sound going through round and circling. And there are very few, little there are, which are the male. And the females. But this one has the sound, and that nādarūpa-parabrahma, Parabrahma, there you have the sound goes from here to there. At that time, it means that there is neither hell nor heaven. No heaven and no hell. Śiva. Śiva, Śiva, Śiva. And so now, yesterday I was... I don't know, it's a long time I did not blow. When I was in the Nepal ashram, I was alone. I went a little to the other side of the river, to the ashram alone, and I was making pūjā, āratī. So then, every day I was making this saṅgha. And in whole Nepal, villages, villages, they know my name. They said, "Now he made āratī or pūjā." And now, of course, there are many other people also doing it. Who is there? It is very important to have this sound, the sound that is a nāda. Nāda means the sound. You know, I tell you sometimes about the bamboos that Kṛṣṇa's... maybe tomorrow or next time. So let's say this, I will, Mahāprabhujī, please, Devapurījī, Bhagavān, Holī Gurujī, because it needs the prāṇa. It is very, very important, and if you are hard, then you must not do it, or not too much. So that is who has the prāṇa, mantra, and prāṇāyāma. Neti, dhauti, basti, nauli, tratāka, all this. If it's nāḍī, vajra nāḍī, when you have the vajra nāḍī, then the whole Iḍā, Piṅgalā and Suṣumnā, they are not going like this, they go all three in light. Because it is that one, and he will open everything, these nerve systems. This is for us; it's very holy. It's very holy. Those who understand, they understand. They don't understand they are in hell, but they will come again, but it takes more time. So we have our sister here in the city, and she was always blowing in the summer, but now, because of the corona, we are not here. But now, because of the corona, we are not here three times. Brahmā, Viṣṇu, and Śiva. Śiva, Brahma, Viṣṇu. Śiva, Viṣṇu, Brahma. Doesn't matter who is who. It's all the same, how you arrange it. Who is who? I'm in second. And now? So Devpurījī, Mahāprabhujī, Holī Gurujī. Tak Devpurījī Mahāprabhujī Holī Gurujī. Good. So now Holi Guruji is Prana. Deep Nayan Bhagwan Kī Jai, Dev Puruṣa Mahādev Kī Jai, Sadguru Swami Madhavānandjī Bhagwan Kī Jai. Om Shanti. Be clean again. You are at home.

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