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The Forms of the Divine

A spiritual discourse on the formless and manifest aspects of the divine.

"One is what we can call God, but we cannot see God; it is only God. That is called Nirākāra. Nirākāra means there is no form or posture."

"The second is Sākār. Sākār means with a form, like a statue or our body, so that we can worship God."

A spiritual teacher delivers a satsang on Guruji's birthday, explaining the concepts of Nirākāra (formless God) and Sākār (God with form). Using examples like Jesus, Krishna, and Buddha, he illustrates how divine incarnations suffer and are often misunderstood. The talk expands to cover creation stories, the cycles of the Yugas, and the importance of righteous living and sādhanā (spiritual practice) in the current Kali Yuga.

Filming location: Strilky, Czech Republic

Hari Om. It is a beautiful day, and this is the day of our holy Gurujī's birthday or holy day. There are two, or three, kinds. One is what we can call God, but we cannot see God; it is only God. We do not know, but we say, "No, that is our God." They did not see, and they also cannot see. That is called Nirākāra. Nirākāra means there is no form or posture. Like one little stone, a dot. It means we have not seen that, and we will not see. Who has seen that? No one. And they will not see. Then how do we know there is God? But many have said, "Nirākār." The second is Sākār. Sākār means with a form, like a statue or our body, so that we can worship God. There is only one God, but the same God will not come always. From time to time, God appears. And many times we will not understand that there is a God. Let me tell you very clearly. Take Jesus, for example. How was Jesus? How difficult was it? Nobody believed. There was no house, so he was living with some animals, and little is known about that. How he came, how he was growing up—a few people speak of it, but nobody can say definitively. They say he came from the mother's womb, but not from the father. But who will believe? Also, Jesus was hardworking. He said that people were pursuing gold or money. That time was not for people. They were sitting there, playing with gold. But it is said Jesus declared, "Not money, not gold, but God. Do not run behind gold, but behind God." But people did not understand; it is in many books, as you know. Many difficulties were there. Once I saw in a video that in a very hard land—very hot, with stones and no water, where he was born—he was sitting, and suddenly a cobra came and wanted to bite him. But automatically there was a protective circle, and the snake could not approach. Jesus said, "I am not God, I am not spiritual, I cannot do something for you." But Jesus's father, meaning God, said, "I know there is no one there, and it is only you; you will suffer." But still, the snake remained like that and then went away. I did not read the whole Bible; that was all. So he said, "I cannot," but he said, "You will." And then many, many things happened in how he lived. Many people were hiding. That was one film I saw; it was in America. And always they said, "This is not Jesus," and he said, "I am." And then he had two children, but they said, "You are not." That was in that... I do not know, please. I myself do not want to tell anything wrong. But Jesus said, "I told you about gold—this is not it. Do not run behind gold, but behind God. It was not gold; it is God." Anyhow, many things happened, and you know, He was suffering. You know how they wanted to take Him to the cross. They were beating Him, making Him carry the wood, the rock—not rock, the—and the mother was there. They struck him like this, and blood was flowing. So we know that. All the blood was dropping, and we all see that. And then he came, and he was with his mother for some hours or something. So I do not know if he died on the cross or came down. I do not know. And after some days, the mother took him. Where he went and how, I do not know, please. So Niranjan... no, Niranjan is that there is no body, nothing; it is nothing. And we are Sākār. So it does not matter which god, they are all suffering: Rama, Krishna, Buddha, all others, Jesus. Afterward we say, "Oh, this is my God, oh my God, oh my God." So Nirākāra is only somewhere, and the second is Sākāra. So many gods: first comes Śiva, then Brahma, Viṣṇu, and so on. And the Christian Jesus, or this, what they call is 220,000, no? And others, Muslims, they are about 14 or something. Buddha is not so long ago, and all are coming in every way. Some say no, others say yes. But that God will never say, "I am God." And when you think that you will be God, then you are not God. And they also worked very hard, but they knew that in their heart was God. He sent me, but do not show anybody; you have to suffer. But then you will go, and then they will say, "Oh my God, this was a great God." So that is Sākār. And Sākār is in many different countries and different lands; they are languages. And you know, they said here was not here. The earth, it was only the Himalayas, and then a little there, the rocks, and under the rocks was something. Now we know how much, but it means now the ocean recedes and recedes. And the land is coming, the land is coming. What will happen again? Either the earth will go down, or it will melt. All water will go. And you know that the whole was only water and earth. And it is said that according to how many gods we have, from there first was Varāha. And that Varāha brought the earth out from the water. Otherwise, it was only under the water. So Varāha, from his liking, said, "I will bring it up." So he came out quickly with the water, with such power, and he turned it. And so now the globe is... You have it with us? You have it everywhere? Maybe bring one chart. So, how many of these gods were there? And now there is Krishna, and others more like Mahāprabhujī, Holī Gurujī, and many, many. So there are probably three different aspects: Nirākār, Sākār, and our spiritual selves. So in this, everyone, even Bhagavān, God, the Upaniṣads will come. The humans will kill them. So then, the Sākār, and within the Sākār are the very spiritual people. We call them guru, devas, etc. And the third is humans. And now, these humans, they can turn into God or become Nirākāra completely. Also, it is called they will go again down. So we speak of Rākṣasas and Brahmās, and that will go on all the times. So that is why we do our yoga exercises, yoga and āsanas. This is it, nirvāṇa, for people and everything: exercise, this side, football, V.A., everything. Why not very good? They will achieve something, so that they will achieve. One may be, and one may not. How was it like this? Let us say football. In football, where we are the 21, and this 72, 11 by 11, yes? And now they are fighting. All are happy, good. "I will do," but they cannot say, "All went in the gate." One was it. So in this Satya Yuga, now Tretā Yuga, that will come, that one, others only, and others, like all, they are every time in football. One will win, but they say not to win, but that this one is that. So practice, try, and even we do not know, but when we are doing good things—peace, harmony, understanding, concentration, no killing animals, this and that—we are all like this. So in that, it will come, and it is Vāra is still running like this. And how? So it is not only going like this; it is a globe. So we have winter and we have summer, etc. So in this, if we can work—not that I must do it and do it, no, no, peacefully—I will do, I will have peace, I will have harmony. And so is our Gurudev, Mādhavānandjī Bhagavān. And so he said, "Just do your sādhanā." It is He who will give you that. Yes, you are the God. You see, Holī Gurujī was also very strong, and He was also very giving, strict. My Gurujī said that in one hand is a stick, and in the other hand is a beautiful sweet, laḍḍū. What do you want? I said to Gurujī, "Daṇḍa (the stick)." Okay, I give you the daṇḍa. So I do not know who will be. You are so many sitting here, but one whose heart is that, how is he working? So what are we doing? So now is the Kali Yuga. And in these Kali Yugas, be very careful. Again, one of your first, the first war, then the second war, and three, the third one, very hard. At that time, in war, people only had some instruments for fighting. But those who are sitting here, pressing the button here and killing him, they are somewhere. So, how are we doing now? O my Lord, O my God, O Mādhāvanandjī Bhagavān, let us all come to Me, to the Gurus, to Bhagavān, to God. So this is very important. It is said, if we kill someone to eat, you will say, "No, pain, we cannot, we will not, do not kill me." But when we are killing any animals, maybe big animals or little ones, life is there. And those who will go there will have no pain to others. So let us come, we will work, we will work. Yes. So, many people take drugs, they drink alcohol, they kill, they eat meat, and this. That means, while living, we are suffering. Yes, so, but it is said, without nothing, I am in darkness, and that is why I am dog eating, drinking, and so on. When one day it comes to your mind, "Oh God, please, please..." Please, God, in this life I did many things: animal killing, drugging, killing. This, not only that, I did this and that, and you go with this one. This is not that is it. So it means now I will not take any kind of drug. Then what will happen? God will say, "My child, now enough for you. I will take you, come on." Yes, yes, it is. You will not understand while you are sitting, walking, eating, and so on. It comes in swimming and sleeping. Jāgrata, suṣupti and svapna. Three: daytime waking, deep sleep, and dreaming. In this, we are going now. For that, we will see tomorrow.

This text is transcribed and grammar corrected by AI. If in doubt what was actually said in the recording, use the transcript to double click the desired cue. This will position the recording in most cases just before the sentence is uttered.

The text contains hyperlinks in bold to three authoritative books on yoga, written by humans, to clarify the context of the lecture:

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