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Ancestors

A spiritual discourse on ancestral connections, family stability, and traditional worship.

"Through getting divorced, how many relations are suffering? Grandparents are suffering from both sides. Parents are suffering from both sides."

"The ancestors, they observe us... the liberation of the ancestors depends on the children. The children have to fulfill many things or pay back their karmic loan to their ancestors."

Swami Avatarpuri discusses the sacred bond with ancestors, lamenting the modern trend of divorce and fragmented families. He explains the ancestral debt (pitṛ ṛṇa) and the importance of the family deity (Kuladevatā) for protection and harmony, recommending daily Sūrya pūjā and establishing a Śakti Pīṭha in the home to stabilize life's turbulence.

Recording location: Czech Republic, Strilky, Summer seminar

It is a very interesting and valuable subject to know how much we are connected to our ancestors. Nearly every day, we had a question for the grandmothers. We love our grandmother very much, and our grandfather also. When you put money in the bank, you don't think of your capital. You are always thinking of your interest: how many percent did you get? So parents, when the grandchildren are there, they don't think of the children; they think of their grandchildren because children are a weaning out of the capital. So our parents, our great parents, love them very much. It is true that we all love our ancestors and they love us, and we will love. That's how the families are connected, and that's what we call the joint family. Now there are very few families who are together. People, even if they are not married, they want to have a separate apartment. And even if they are not married yet, they want to get divorced. I was in India in July for Guru Pūrṇimā, and we had an invitation for some festival. The person who organized the festival was, on that occasion, chosen as the president for the international Jesse Club. Like a Rotary Club or Lions Club, Jesse Club means the Chamber of Juniors. This club was founded by the American President Kennedy, and that means an education program for the juniors. At that time, what you call the hippie culture started, and also drugs became very popular. Many young people were involved, so they made one club in nearly every town to make a program for the education of the juniors, up to 28 years. Well, in that club, anyhow, it was a very good program, and I was also there because this person who organizes it is a disciple of Holy Gurujī. Now what I want to tell you is that he was there with his seventh generation, all are alive, and seven complete couples. It's not easy to get seven couples: his great-great-grandfather and mother, and so on, till the grandson of this person. So seven generations were there, and through the relatives, there were also seven couples all together. They were proud of themselves that all are together and there is no question of getting divorced. Now in India also, this illness is beginning—an epidemic, I would say, a mental epidemic—that they want to get divorced and divorced. But you know, through getting divorced, how many relations are suffering? Grandparents are suffering from both sides. Parents are suffering from both sides. Brothers and sisters are suffering from both sides. Good friends are also sorry; they are suffering for it. And children are also suffering. So you cause pain to so many people just because you want to get married to a new one. And when you come to the new one, that partner is more cruel than the other one. So you try to come out of one situation which is, for you, like frying in hot oil, but you come to another point which is a burning fire. So how do you know that the next partner will be happy and good? Because the first partner was also not chosen by you. It was chosen by your emotion; if it had been chosen by you, you would be very happy. And the next one is also not chosen by you, also by your emotion, and here emotion means ignorance. Whatever we do out of ignorance is not good. So it is a time again to create a good, happy family. In Europe, it is much better than in some other countries, and here in our part of Czechoslovakia and Hungary, it's very, very much connected to the ancestors. In every country, there is a very famous saying: the kitchen of the grandmother, or the recipes of the grandmother. So where are these recipes? Because you threw them away, you changed flats several times, you changed partners several times, and you didn't take care of the things, and very valuable things are lost. This came to my mind just now because there was again a question for the grandmother, for her soul, who died on the 24th of June, 2005. If you go to America, then the Native Americans, they believe very, very much in their ancestors. Their ancestors are guiding them. If you go to Australia, the native Australians, they also very much believe in the ancestors, and they are guided by ancestors. Every family has a particular painting culture, original painting. It's dots: many, many dots, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot. In different colors, and they design animals, and trees, and natural things. But every family has its own style, which was created by the ancestors. So you can see, you can recognize from which family or from which clan that art comes. On every occasion, first of all, they remember the ancestors. So also in China, in Japan, in India, they very much adore the ancestors. The ancestors, they observe us. Now, if they are born in another life, that doesn't matter. It is the connection of the ātmā that is observing everything. This individual presence, consciousness, cannot observe. So the ancestors are always there, and the liberation of the ancestors depends on the children. The children have to fulfill many things or pay back their karmic loan to their ancestors. Without a successor, they cannot move from the astral world, from the ancestor world, Pitṛ Loka. So when you get children, then they will move further; if you don't get children, then still they are there. So for your father and mother you have to make a ceremony, and for you, your children should do it. Otherwise, you will be hanging there like a bat on a waiting list. So it's your responsibility. We say there are five kinds of ṛṇa; ṛṇa means the debt. It's a loan. The first is the mother, the second is the ancestors, it means the father. The third is your school teacher, and the fourth is your religious teacher. And the fifth is your Gurū, your spiritual Gurū. Or the ṛṣi, so mātṛ ṛṇa, pitṛ ṛṇa, ācārya ṛṇa, deva ṛṇa, and ṛṣi ṛṇa. Deva ṛṇa means towards the five elements, the nature, which I told you. Also, for every house, you have a particular goddess. You have a protector for your house, a protector for your family. This is called a family god, and that is the first one. On every holy occasion, that god or God is first remembered. Prayer is first towards them, and then you have a property god. It's called Kṣetrapāla, a protector of your area. So this is not only dogma, it is a reality. Those who don't remember them, either they left you, or they are angry with you, disappointed. Their anger influences us in different ways: illnesses, disharmony, no satisfaction, no successful family life, many, many things. Kuladevatā, Kuladevatā. When you make pūjā, yajña in India, they say this when they do pūjā in India: "I worship the family god; the family deity." But you don't know because nobody taught you. What a pity. So now we have to find it, or accept it. I tell my disciples mostly to accept as their family deity either Śrī Devpurījī or Mahāprabhujī. Many of you have various saints: Saint Catherine, the Holy Spirit, and others; you certainly have your saints. Otherwise, ask your grandmother or great-grandmother; if not this, then Mahāprabhujī will definitely protect you and replace your Kuladevatā. Then you have to make prayer occasionally, especially every evening doing pūjā. You remember I told you about the sun pūjā: morning, morning before breakfast, before eating, you look to the sun, say five times Gāyatrī Mantra, and then offer the water, a little and flowers, and agarbattī, or maybe a lamp. You can do it in your garden, on your balcony, or through your window. Now what about winter? In winter, the sun rises very late, so keep in your mind what time the sun rises; that time doesn't matter where you are. Or do it earlier; it is a Brahma Muhūrta pūjā for Sūrya Devatā. It has influence; you will see your life is completely changed. Suddenly your stars, your constellations, are in good balance. When you fly by aeroplane and there is turbulence, and then suddenly it goes up and down, and everybody who is sitting inside is holding the chair, but holding this chair will not help anything; if it will fall, it will fall. That time, everyone remembers their God. I also say, "Dīp Nārāyaṇa sarva duḥkha bhanjana," yes. And everybody, some remember Jesus, some remember Allah, some remember Buddha, and someone says, "My good luck." And when suddenly again it is stable, no trouble, "Thank you, Mahāprabhujī." So our life is in turbulence. This modern way of life is such a crazy and in such a turbulence, so we have to fix something, and that through your Gurū Mantra. Besides Satgurū Dev, still you have some Kuladevatā. In the house you must have also Śakti Pūjā. Śaktipūjā means Holy Mother. We saw Kṛṣṇa's video, and you saw that the Divine Mother appeared; she took the place of Kṛṣṇa so that Kṛṣṇa could be brought safely somewhere. Before this episode was finished, the Mahāmāyā didn't go away; she said she will stay on the earth. She said, "My first place will be there on the mountains in the Himalayas," where she said, and now in different places. That Mahāmāyā, that Śakti, also when she passed, according to the Śiva Purāṇa, then different parts of her body fell on different places, and there is the Śakti Pīṭha. Śakti Pīṭha means the holy place of the Divine Mother, Divine Śakti. So she is not like a form, but we have to imagine her as a form, but that is a mother power. Unless you don't have this, you will have trouble. So you must stabilize in your house a Śakti Pīṭha, and you should have pūjā, and on different occasions also offering good food and prasāda. Then you will see suddenly the turbulence of life is gone. Then the karmic influences which are in our life and in the future still which will come to us will be somehow a little lighter, that you can master a little bit better or understand better or go through easily. So this is very important, and humans don't understand. We know that all these spirits are also in the trees; these trees are listening to what we are talking. It's a life, and many, many other creatures are inconceivable. The souls are surrounding us now. They see us, but we don't see them. These are our ancestors; they observe us, they protect us. Our duty is to keep them happy and pleased. There was one case that one had a mental problem, one lady. Someone told her, "You should make a little temple at home with a Śaktipīṭha." They made a prayer at the Shakti Pīṭh, and you will not believe, that lady was completely healthy and happy. "Yā Devī Sarvabhūteṣu Namastasyai, Namastasyai," again and again I bow down to that mother, the divine mother, that Śakti. Recording location: Czech Republic, Strilky, Summer seminar

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