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The Parrot’s Counsel: A Dialogue Between Ātmā and Mind

A satsang featuring a spiritual discourse, personal anecdotes, and the explanation of a devotional song.

"Harvest the joy of God's name. All other purposes in this world are unreality."

"Therefore, my dear, repeat this mantra. 'Haṁso haṁsa,' 'I am that, and that I am.'"

Swami Ji leads a gathering, beginning with announcements and a discussion on the spiritual significance of animals, illustrated by a story of a dog leading its owner to a yoga center. He then explains a bhajan by Mahaprabhuji, which uses a dialogue between two parrots to symbolize the conversation between the soul (ātman) and the mind, urging detachment from worldly desires and the repetition of the divine name.

Filming location: Strilky, Czech Republic

Libuše. Libuše Gopalová from Prague. Okay, it's not there. Quickly, quickly, quickly. But isn't Libuše’s birthday here? Yes. No, it's here. Okay. So, greetings to both of you. All the best. Have you finished your studies? Yes. Doctoral study at the University of Economics, Prague, in the faculty of international relations. For that international relation, you need not go to the university. You could have come here. This is international relations. Very nice, thank you. Kresin Jan has finished the Faculty of Transport at ČVUT in Prague with a bachelor's degree. Jan ukončil bakalářské studium na dopravní fakultě. What is CVUT? I don't know. Ale nevíme co... Aha, ČVUT. It is a... Charles? Technical University. Is he or she here? Je tady? No, he's still sitting at the university. Well, there is also one sad news: Jana Matusková from Jedovnice died on Wednesday morning. The yoga group from Blansko asked Swāmījī for guidance for their souls towards the light. And we pray to Mahāprabhujī to bless her soul towards eternal peace and light. And please send flowers or whatever is in Czech Republic tradition to her funeral on behalf of our Yoga in Daily Life, Swāmījī, and the Czech Union of Yogis in Daily Life. Can you put this bucket nearer? It's a very interesting thing, how animals can change our life, save our life, and also be like a good friend in life. The book is called "Animals, Our Brothers and Sisters," or "The Friends: Animal Brothers." And you know, the animals have immense love. Even people have love for the car. Though your car is old, you would like to buy a new one and you sell the old car, but when you give the key away, there is also emotional attachment. One of our very close disciples was a very great worker and a good yoga teacher in Vienna, Austria. One day he went for a walk with his dog, and he fell down and became unconscious. The dog ran back home, jumped over the fence, went into the house, and was making some noise. The wife of that man thought, "There's something wrong." And she went, and the dog again ran and showed the way where the man was lying. So that was the story of our dear Yogānand. So, horses, dogs, many, many animals. And this is also a point: how can we kill them and eat them? They are like our own children. So, there is one similar story I will read to you for my beloved dog, Lexis, called Lex, who brought me to Yoga in Daily Life. How? By jumping out of my car and running into the yoga center. I went in to get him and met Sevā Devī. Two days later, I began to practice yoga. He was my best friend and gentle guardian for twelve years, and he passed away this June. So on his memory, this prasād is given in his honor to thank him for his love and service. May he be blessed and happy. Also, for the well-being of my mother and everyone. Thanks to all karma yogīs and ashram staff for making this pleasant stay for us. Thank you, Swāmījī, for your teaching and blessings. With love, Len Turner. And she's here. Where is she? Come here. Otherwise, some people will think Swāmījī is making stories, so I must have evidence. Did you write this letter? Yes, thank you. Yes, you can say what Swāmījī told is a true story. What Swāmījī told is a true story about my dog, about my dog. You can tell how it exactly happened. Why did the dog jump out? You left the window open, or what? Well, in Atlanta, we have a very small yoga center, and right next door is a store called Big Save. And I went into Big Save to get a drink, and when I came back and opened the door, my dog Lex, he weighed 110 pounds. He was a big dog. He jumped out of the car and ran into the yoga center. And he was actually in the practicing room. And I thought the people would be mad, but I met Sevā Devī for the first time. She was my first Yoga in Daily Life teacher. She came out, and she was so happy that a dog came into the practicing room. I said, "This is my kind of place." So I met her, and she was so positive and sweet and thin, no extra kilos. I wanted to be like her, and she's my role model in yoga and daily life, and I just think... that my dog knew that he could read my thoughts, and he knew that I wanted to take yoga, but I kept putting it off, putting it off. So he was a teacher for me in a lot of ways. So thank you. Thank you, Swāmījī. Thank you. The dog, which is a very big breed, ran out and ran to the yoga center, to the room where they were exercising. I ran after him, and I was afraid that they would kick me out. I met Sevā Devī, and she was glad that the dog was there. When I saw her, she helped me a lot. How kind she is, and how strong she is. And I wanted to be like her. And Sevā Devī became my first yoga teacher in my daily life. And I think it happened so that my dog knew that I wanted to practice yoga, but that I kept putting it off and putting it off, so he finally took it into his own hands, or paws, and that's how he took care of it. So, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So there is a beautiful bhajan from Mahāprabhujī. It's about two parrots. A dialogue between two parrots. Good idea. So I shall translate that bhajan if I have a text here. Thank you. Give me. So this is a bhajan, a song, which has a very spiritual meaning, according to Vedānta. And this is indicated to ourselves. So there are two parrots, and her name is Menā, and he is Suā. Suā means the parrot. Menā is a female parrot. In English, we call it a parrot. And that's our parrot, that's called Papučka. I used to be, before I married, I made name. So this bhajan is indicated towards ourselves, and who is telling to whom? Now he is telling to her: "Hari bhaja lava lūṭ." Listen, my beloved ones, "Hari bhaja lava lūṭ." You said, "Harvest the joy of God's name, bhajan. Harvest the name of God. In that is the joy." "Sāra nija yehī hai. Jaga kāra bāra saba jhūṭa." The essence is in that. All other purposes in this world are unreality. For what are you struggling in the material world? One day it will go out of your hands, so just do what you can for your survival, for your existence. "Sunorī Menā tū Hari bhaja lava lūṭ." O my dear Menā, listen. Harvest or enjoy the harvest in God's name. "Dāra dāra, pira pira, bhaṭakatī." You are flying from one branch to another branch, here and there you are wandering, here and there. "Dāra dāra, pira pira, bhaṭakatī." "Ghaṭa vise phala khāī hai," and you are eating poisonous fruit in your heart, the desires. You think now these fruits are beautiful and nice. But the same fruit one day will become very bitter, poisonous for you as a disappointment. Ale to ovoce zhořkne a bude jedovaté, bude ovoce zklamání z ní. "Dāra dāra, prapīrī, bhaṭakatī, ghaṭa viṣa phala khāī." You are eating those fruits of desires. You are already eating the fruits of desires. So "viṣa" means two. "Viṣa" has two meanings. "Viṣa" means poison. Viṣa znamená jed. And "viṣa" means desires. A viṣe je také touha. Čili již plody vášně. "Jeka palaka kī kyā khabara hai? Kāla legā lūṭ." Do you know what can happen within any minute, second? Víš, co se ve vteřině může stát? "Kāla legā lūṭ." The death will steal everything from you away. Smṛti ti všechno vezme, všechno ti ukradne. Death will take everything away. So at the time of death, you cannot take all that you have. No relation and no material thing belongs. Death is cruel. And for death, it doesn't matter how you die. The main thing is that you die, so be aware before you are doing. Therefore, don't eat this, don't put these poisonous fruits or desires in your heart. "Ghaṭa" means the heart. You are eating these fruits, and you are full of your pride, your ego. You are moving, it makes you... Oh, one man told me, Swāmījī, "This is the sofa." One day I was sitting and thinking, "Will I marry?" And I was feeling lonely, and then I got married. And you know, Swāmījī, I sat on the sofa with my hands like this. Today, I am the man's husband. It was ego. And you know, Swāmījī, after a few years, I was sitting there like this, divorced. It's a true story, but I don't want to tell the name. Maybe someone that was here could be. So, "phala khāī phulīphirī," you are eating these fruits of desires, and you are blown off with your pride, ego. This wish, this poison, these desires, "mṛga jalavata samjhana," this is like that water, what we call "pata-mṛgaṇā"? "Pata-mṛgaṇā" in English also? Mirage. Like in summer or on a dry day, a hot day, you see on the road, also here, about 50 meters on the road, is water. Mirage. Often it happens, and in those countries where there's a desert and drought, there's no water. And "mṛga" is the deer. And "tṛṣṇā" means two things. "Tṛṣṇā" means thirst, and "tṛṣṇā" means longing. A burning desire. So that thirsty deer has so much longing to drink water, and he sees this mirage and is running and running, you know, toward that horizon. A víte, jak je to s horizontem? Horizon is that, as near you come, that far it goes. Čím se mu přiblížíte, tím on se vzdálí. And he falls down. Nakonec padne. And he dies. He couldn't enjoy or get that water. Nemohl se dostat k té vodě. And this is when someone thinks that I will enjoy and fulfill my desires. Forget it. The parrot says to her, "The parrot said to her, 'Listen, my dear one.'" This juice is unreality. It's not reality. For what you are flying, jumping branch to branch, what you want to enjoy, this is not reality. That one will kill you, that one will one day disappoint you. Fear, misery, and he says, "Oh, my dear one, on the day when we will separate from this garden, this park," this park means this life, and separation means death. "Pīra visare ina bhaga se to milanā ho ki na ho." After that, oh my dear, we don't know if we will meet again or not. "Haṁso haṁsa, haṁso haṁsa kaho jī." Therefore, my dear, repeat this mantra. "Haṁso haṁsa," "haṁso haṁsa kaho jī," "haṁ so'haṁ," I am that, and that I am. I am ātmā, ātmā I am. I am that pure consciousness, pure ātmā. I am not this body, mind, desires, nor intellect. Ani intelekt. I am ātmā. Sem ātmā. "Haṁ so'haṁ haṁsa kaho jī." "De duniyāne pūṭa." And keep all this behind your back. To všechno nech za sebou, za zády. Because sooner or later you have to renounce and go. Dříve nebo později se toho stejně musíš vzdát a jít. "O moje milovaná. Guru Caraṇa Kamala Satsaṅga, Mejī." At the presence of Gurudev and Satsaṅga, this is Satsaṅga. You are what we are doing, this is Satsaṅga. "Guru Caraṇa," in the presence of the Holy Feet of the Gurudev, "Kamala" is Lotus, Satsaṅga. So, in his presence, the Satsaṅga, "Amṛtavṛkṣa, phalajana." Is the immortal tree with the fruits of the nectar. Know the fruits of the nectar in this tree, and that tree is this satsaṅga. This is a tree. We are all enjoying this tree. "Śrī Dīpa Nārāyaṇa Bhagavān kī, Deva Puruṣa Mahādeva kī, Dharma Samrāṭ Satguru Swāmī Madhavānandajī Bhagavān kī, Satya Sanātana Dharma kī Jaya." That satsaṅga is the heaven or Vaikuṇṭha. Vaikuṇṭha is there, it is said, where God Viṣṇu is residing. Svarga Loka is known as heaven. Both are in the presence of the Gurudeva. "Sunārī Menā, tū Hari bhaja lava lūṭ." Listen, my dear Menā, enjoy the God's name. "Sāra nija yehī hai jaga kāra bāra saba jhūṭa." That is the essence. The world is unreality. Yes, she jumped from one branch to another branch, and she looked to. He and she answer. Now, ladies, listen carefully. Till the man puts all his emotions, you know, he opens the ventile. Now he's saying something. She is saying something. Of course she agrees with what he says. Good wife. Mutual understanding. We call it in Hindi "Dostī." "Do" means two. "Satī" means truthful. One follows the path of truth and also leads others on the path of truth. That's called the best friendship or a partnership. Now she's saying, "Sunore Suā, Oh Suā, listen, my friend, my darling dear one, listen." Můj příteli, můj milovaný, naslouchej, poslouchej. "Sunore suā, tū vratale so'haṁ nāma." "Sunore, suā tū vratale so'haṁ nāma." "Ga" is the mistake printed here. There is no "ga." Correction, please. Nepatří, tak prosím se to opravte, pahdžane. She said, "Listen, my dear, you should also repeat the name of Ātmā, So'haṁ." I am Brahman. I am supreme. I am that Ātmā, immortal, everlasting. Listen, my dear. Repeat mantra So'haṁ. You know, my dear, she said, "Jīva, tere ghera kī pyāre lagata nahīṁ kāśudāma." Your tongue is your own tongue. Your tongue belongs to you, your property. You don't have to pay anything, no money. Therefore, repeat the name of God. It means when we repeat the name of God, it doesn't cost us anything. When you repeat your mantra, you don't have to pay money to someone or pay any tax. This is universal. God gave free love, contentment, happiness. All is God's creation. He gave free will. So if you pray and repeat the name of God, it doesn't cost you money. You don't pay the tax. Opposite. You get something more. "Sunore suā tū vratale so'haṁ nāma. Jīva tere ghera kī pyāre, my dear. Lage nahīṁ kāśudāma." Nothing will cost, otherwise, my dear. You know, my dear, you were telling me, but you should also know, the cat of the dead will eat you. It will finish to kill you. She will tear your case of the body within no time. Your body will be torn out, and in her mouth, she will chew your skin. Who? The cat. What is a cat? The dead. Therefore, oh my dear one, do not waste the time. Repeat your mantra. Now, answer. "Manasuā," so this mind is the parrot. Man's body is that cage, or "piñjara," in which this soul is closed. "Manasuā, tana piñjara, jī ātama so'haṁ nāma." He is again written "ga." I don't know why. There is a connection. The mind is the suā, the parrot. The body is this case in which the parrot is caught, and the ātmā in this is the So'haṁ name, the mantra So'haṁ. Ātmā is that mantra So'haṁ. "Mehera kare Gurū Devajī to jaba pāvaya viśrāma." "Mehera." "Mehera" is an Urdu word. "Mehera" means dayā. "Mehera" means kṛpā. "Mehera" means mercy. "Mehera kare Gurū Devajī to pāvaya viśrāma." If Guru Kripa is there, then this parrot will have peace and rest. Díky milosti Gurudeva, tento papoušek dojde klidu, pokoje. "Mehera Kripa Gurudeva, Hari bhajale avasara milio jī, Hari bhajale avasara milio re." Now, repeat the name of the God. You got the chance, the time as a human being. Teď opakuj Boží jméno, protože teď máš tu příležitost jako člověk. Don't miss, don't miss. Nenech si jí ujít. Don't waste time. Nestrácej čas. So, "Hari bhajale, avasara miliare, uṭha śubha aruṣama." Get up early in the morning. Vstaň včasně ráno. Meditate and make mantra. Meditate, practice in the morning. Also in the evening, remember God and make your mantra and meditate. A stejnitak večer pamatuj na Boha, opakuj mantru a medituj. "Jagata bāgīcā sukha sīre, jesaba janu nikāma." This garden of the world will one day dry out. Everything will be destroyed. You will not have any fruits that you want to eat. That means this body will cease. It will be nothing there. And you will sit there without anything. So take time. Utilize the time. You've got a chance. "Śrīddhi pākahe sata mañjo," Mahāprabhujī said, "Take it as a truth." "Santa śaraṇa sukhadhāma," at the presence of a saint, is the center of great happiness. That is the place of happiness. "Santa upadeśa bhāṭṭavī varaṇāta lakṣaṇama," and this is the teaching of the Vedas, all the saints, Upaniṣads, and all others. This is the bhajan from Mahāprabhujī, symbolically a dialogue between ātmā and mind, and desires in the world, between Māyā and Brahma. Beautiful bhajan. All the best. They are beautiful bhajans. Beautiful bhajans. So, Dīpa Nārāyaṇa Bhagavān kī, Deva Puruṣa Mahādeva kī, Dharma Samrāṭ Satguru Swāmī Madhavānandajī Bhagavān kī, Satya Sanātana Dharma kī Jaya.

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